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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:30 am 
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/dave ... story.html


It's the off-season I know, time for hope and dreams. Speculation as to what to do to turn around this moribund franchise is everywhere, in every mock draft, and it's all good and interesting. But..... this article by Hyde has a few things in it that are a painful but true reminder of why we are not going far any time soon. It's all on the awful front office and this front office isn't going anywhere that I know of.

We can cry over the T-Hill injury. Over dropped passes. Poor blocking. Errors in assignments leaving opponent WRs and TEs wide open. No pass rush. Penalties. Etc, etc. All that is on the players for sure and one might as well add coaching and poor preparation, but the honest truth is that all that starts with the decisions made by the FO. Poor judgement on roster decisions, ie., who to keep and how much to pay to keep them, awful draft and FA value judgement, money spent in positions that do not offer the return on the field. We can say that about the TE position. The safety position. LB. DE. CB. Dline. All these areas have examples of decisions by the FO that have not resulted in gains for the team and several like the Kiko, Branch, McDonald, and Suh deals are cap strapping this team. And this malaise, while we watch other teams fly right by us, covers years.

The Landry thing is next up on the FO exam schedule. If history is any indication, they will screw this one up too.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:59 pm 
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Well with 17 coming back that gives me hope for this coming season. I just beleive in him and his ability to lead a 4th quarter comeback. However that being said this is his make or break year with this team. If he stays healthy and plays un all 16 games we certainlg will have enough to see if he is the guy for years to come. If he cant stay healthy then its time to declare him injury prone.
Gase needs to be evaluated as well although I say get rid of Tannenbaum now and let Gase coach without him lurking and having Ross' ear. We dont need another crap season to create a power struggle.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:40 pm 
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absolutely right....we could waste another season if they keep the same crew up top....but there are no indications they are going anywhere this year so it might just have to take a super tanked season in 18....and about T-Hill. Sure, there's optimism there but I don't have to see another season from him. He is who he has shown, no gems hidden there. And we might have to add injury prone, and not all his fault either. A guy with a rebuilt knee behind this awful offensive line will likely get bent up somewhere along the line.


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Goes back to the fundamental question - is the team close to playoff consistency or is it time to rebuild?

You don't want veterans mailing it in because the brass has lost faith in the team overall. Purge it all except a few talented young guys and inform them its their job to grow into leaders. Tannehill, Landry, Pouncey, James, Wake, Suh, Branch, etc. get all the draft compensation and potential locker room blow back out of there.

Is this realistic? Nope. Gase believes he can win with these guys and will fight to the end to prove it.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:48 am 
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Is this realistic? Nope. Gase believes he can win with these guys and will fight to the end to prove it.


Well, of course Gase is gonna think and act that way, he has to coach them and things between him and his lockeroom aren't in the best of terms anyway so he has to crack down as if they are fighting for the SB eventhough many inside and outside the organization know that goal is pretty much a pipe dream. For the owner's part, given that he appears clueless to the truth, everyone has to act that way too or he would demand why give such lucrative (wasteful to some) contracts to players like Kiko, McDonald, Jones, and Branch, and of course the 10m wasted last year on Cutler.

Turning over this roster that only has a handful of players worth keeping will take years, specially given the drafting capabilities of the present FO and the cap situation they find themselves in. Which is why the sooner Ross realizes that he has to part ways with Tennenbaum the sooner the rebuild can effectively begin. Drafting a QB this year is essential to this rebuild as Tannehill won't be around by the time this roster is good enough to challenge in the post season but I would bet Tennenbaum will fight that tooth and nail. Long term planning at the expense of short term losses isn't in his best interests.


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Here is a fundamental question. When is the last time the Miami Dolphins drafted a player in the first round that can be irrefutably argued panned out?

Was it Richmond Webb?

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1st rounders alone don't tell the story...the Steelers drafts of the early 70s with HOFers taken after rd 1 and those of these very Fins in 69-71 with Jake Scott, Dick Anderson etc in mid rounds are game and franchise changers...in today's game in addition to good drafting u have to have smart FA investments and caps management that doesn't throw good money at unproven players like Thill, Kiko, etc


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carreramia wrote:
1st rounders alone don't tell the story...the Steelers drafts of the early 70s with HOFers taken after rd 1 and those of these very Fins in 69-71 with Jake Scott, Dick Anderson etc in mid rounds are game and franchise changers...in today's game in addition to good drafting u have to have smart FA investments and caps management that doesn't throw good money at unproven players like Thill, Kiko, etc


The draft in the 70s cannot be compared to the draft today. It doesn't tell the whole story, but it gives you a good enough summary that you can fill the gaps in. Not hitting on a first rounder in decades is pretty damning, especially since nowadays 1st rounders get millions and long term commitments.

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Rich wrote:
Here is a fundamental question. When is the last time the Miami Dolphins drafted a player in the first round that can be irrefutably argued panned out?

Was it Richmond Webb?

Yes, unfortunately. Him and Sims (2nd) anchored the line for 10 years together. It' pretty pathetic that it's been 28 years.


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Here is a fundamental question. When is the last time the Miami Dolphins drafted a player in the first round that can be irrefutably argued panned out?

Was it Richmond Webb?


O. J. McDuffie
Vernon Carey
Mike Pouncey


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lots of teams don't succeed solely on their 1st rounders even those that hit on an occasional superstar...it would take years of such luck to do that.....other than of course if you hit on a HOF QB who is able to make otherwise ordinary players like the Dupers, Claytons, Roses, Crash Jensens and Tony Nathans productive NFL players....and even then failure to build a defense is enough to be their downfall...you need middle round hits and for that you need a good personnel front office, and today, smart FA and cap management....the Dolphins have been failing at all that for decades. Remember 1995 when Shula brought in like 20 former 1st rounders?


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Tannebaum FA signing list the past three years.

2015:
QB Josh Freeman - fail
WR Kenny Stills - B+
WR Greg Jennings - fail
TE Jordan Cameron - fail
C J.D. Walton - fail
C Jacques McClenden - fail
DT Ndamukong Suh - Stupid contract and then failed to put team around him.
DT C.J. Mosley - fail
OLB Spencer Paysinger - fail
CB Brice McCain - fail
CB Zackary Bowman - fail

2016:
RB Arian Foster - C-
OT Jermon Bushrod - C-
G Kraig Urbik - fail
DE Mario Williams - fail
DE Jason Jones - fail
DE Andre Branch - 1st year B-, 2nd year contract too much
ILB Kiko Alonso - 1st year B-, contract extension too early and too much
CB Byron Maxwell - Starter first year, fail the second.
S Isa Abdul-Quddus - B, good pickup but injury derailed.

2017:
TE Julius Thomas - fail
TE Anthony Fasano - C
C Ted Larsen - C
DE William Hayes A
ILB Lawrence Timmons - fail
S T.J. McDonald - TBD
S Nate Allen.- injury problems


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zatrex99 wrote:
Rich wrote:
Here is a fundamental question. When is the last time the Miami Dolphins drafted a player in the first round that can be irrefutably argued panned out?

Was it Richmond Webb?


O. J. McDuffie
Vernon Carey
Mike Pouncey


Vernon Carey wound up at right tackle. He was drafted to be the left tackle of the future. And he was solid at best some seasons.

Mike Pouncey is always injured.

I am not sure how you can irrefutably argue these panned out.

McDuffie was consistent for a long time, at catching 10 yard passes. He was a nice player. I'll give you that one.

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lots of teams don't succeed solely on their 1st rounders even those that hit on an occasional superstar...it would take years of such luck to do that.....other than of course if you hit on a HOF QB who is able to make otherwise ordinary players like the Dupers, Claytons, Roses, Crash Jensens and Tony Nathans productive NFL players....and even then failure to build a defense is enough to be their downfall...you need middle round hits and for that you need a good personnel front office, and today, smart FA and cap management....the Dolphins have been failing at all that for decades. Remember 1995 when Shula brought in like 20 former 1st rounders?


I'm not saying they need to just hit on first rounders, but if you can't even hit on one in 2 decades, you probably can't do much of anything else right.

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Not only that, it isn't that they aren't hitting on first rounders... it's that they also have miserable failures like Dion Jordan (this is not specific to Tannenbaum as that was a Jeff Ireland move). The point is we have been missing as a franchise badly on 1st round picks a high percentage of the time. We should at least be picking up solid players in the 1st round. But we flop miserably way too often.

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O. J. McDuffie
Vernon Carey
Mike Pouncey


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