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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 7:30 am 
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It’s amazing how quickly most players wash out of the league. Only 75 players from the 2010 draft are still with their original teams. That represents 29.4 percent of 255 drafted players, but the percentage is even lower because it doesn’t account for undrafted free agents. Oakland doesn’t have anything left from the 2009 or 2010 drafts. Carolina has only quarterback Cam Newton (first round) and wide receiver Kealoha Pilares (fifth round) left from 2011, and defensive end Greg Hardy (sixth) from 2010. Indianapolis has only tackle Anthony Castonzo (first) left from 2011, and no one from 2010.


http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/ ... story.html

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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 9:24 am 
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We all love the draft, but it is the most overrated sporting even of the year.


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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 10:09 am 
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We all love the draft, but it is the most overrated sporting even of the year.


I love the draft. The fact is with professional sports and a violent game like football and with SO MUCH talent and competition, you do get a ton of washouts, but I expect that.

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I think the NBA is even harder to predict talent at the next level.


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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 2:26 pm 
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I think the NBA is even harder to predict talent at the next level.


It's much more difficult because it's a watered down, superstar driven league. Free agency in the NBA is more useful than the actual draft for that reason. The NFL is as popular as it is because of the tight competition. There is usually a "worst to first" team emerging every single season, that trend doesn't happen in the NBA as often.

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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 5:52 pm 
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Let's look at Ireland's drafts. IMO, he did no better than Cameron/Saban/Spielman/Wanny

2008- Jake Long, Phillip Merling, Chad Henne, Kendall Langford, Shawn Murphy, Jalen Parmele, Donald Thomas, Lex HIlliard, Lionel Dotson

None of these guys are with the Dolphins and two are out of the league entirely. Parcells had a big hand in this one which could explain why most of this class is still in the league


2009- Vontae Davis, Pat White, Sean Smith, Patrick Turner, Brian Hartline, John Nalbone, Chris Clemons, Andrew Gardner, J.D. Folsom

This was the first draft Ireland had control over. Three guys are out of the league, and only one of them (Hartline) is with the Dolphins today.

2010- Jared Odrick, Koa Misi, John Jerry, AJ Edds, Nolan Carroll, Reshad Jones, Chris McCoy, Austin Spitler

A draft almost entirely dedicated to defense with a crapload of linebackers. A lot of picks that left you scratching your head, especially with trading so far down in the first round. Odrick, Misi, and Jones are still with the team. McCoy is out of the league. Parcells butted in here and his fixation on linemen and linebackers was unbearable, especially when the Dolphins took Jerry in the third round over Jimmy Graham/Aaron Hernandez despite the o-line being set but the team needing big time help at the TE position.

2011- Mike Pouncey, Daniel Thomas, Clyde Gates, Charles Clay, Frank Kearse, Jimmy Wilson

Pouncey is an all-pro center. Daniel Thomas is a big time bust who may not survive training camp. Kearse and Gates are no longer with the team. Clay and Wilson are backups at best.

2012- Ryan Tannehill, Jonathan Martin, Olivier Vernon, Michael Egnew, Lamar Miller, Josh Kaddu, BJ Cunningham, Kheeston Randall, Rishard Matthews

The Dolphins may have their franchise QB in Tannehill and a solid edge rusher in Vernon as well as a home run threat in Miller. Matthews may develop into a fine slot receiver but needs a lot of work. Egnew has proven to be a major bust and may not survive training camp. Martin was too weak emotionally and let himself get bullied. Him as well as Kaddu, Cunningham and Randall are no longer with the team.

2013- Dion Jordan, Jamar Taylor, Dallas Thomas, Will Davis, Jelani Jenkins, Dion Sims, Mike Gillislee, Caleb Sturgis, Don Jones

With the exception of Sturgis, none of these guys saw significant playing time in 2013.

With Ireland's track record being mediocre at best and the horrific performance of the 2013 class, along with Ireland's not being on the same page with Joe Philbin and his general bad reputation around the league, I'm glad he is no longer the GM of the Miami Dolphins. I'm shocked he got a job in Seattle so quickly. Hopefully he doesn't ask players what type of work their mothers do.

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TommyNoleFin wrote:
Clay and Wilson are backups at best.


Gotta disagree here. Clay may not be Jimmy Graham, but he broke through as a solid starter last year. Wilson is solid depth, which is not bad for a late round pick.

Ireland's drafts weren't all that bad, but he tended to whiff in rounds 2-4, which probably ultimately cost him his job. Player development is the coach's job, and I hope that our staff does a better job.


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TommyNoleFin wrote:

2008- Jake Long, Phillip Merling, Chad Henne, Kendall Langford, Shawn Murphy, Jalen Parmele, Donald Thomas, Lex HIlliard, Lionel Dotson

None of these guys are with the Dolphins and two are out of the league entirely. Parcells had a big hand in this one which could explain why most of this class is still in the league
From a draft 6 yrs ago in the age of FA. Long & Langford left via high priced FA. Thomas is still playing in the NFL.

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2009- Vontae Davis, Pat White, Sean Smith, Patrick Turner, Brian Hartline, John Nalbone, Chris Clemons, Andrew Gardner, J.D. Folsom

This was the first draft Ireland had control over. Three guys are out of the league, and only one of them (Hartline) is with the Dolphins today.
It does not matter if they are with the Phins, but are they in the NFL. If they are in the NFL, then the pick is a hit in the fact the guy has skills to play in the NFL. Both Davis & Smith signed big time FA deals. The fact late Rd. picks are not in the NFL is irrelevant.

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2011- Mike Pouncey, Daniel Thomas, Clyde Gates, Charles Clay, Frank Kearse, Jimmy Wilson

Pouncey is an all-pro center. Daniel Thomas is a big time bust who may not survive training camp. Kearse and Gates are no longer with the team. Clay and Wilson are backups at best.
Solid draft outside Thomas.


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Hopefully he doesn't ask players what type of work their mothers do.
Most overblown question ever ask. Why no one wants to quote that he was told the mom worked for a pimp is always left out by people wanting to skew the facts.


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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:21 pm 
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TommyNoleFin wrote:
Clay and Wilson are backups at best.


Gotta disagree here. Clay may not be Jimmy Graham, but he broke through as a solid starter last year. Wilson is solid depth, which is not bad for a late round pick.

Ireland's drafts weren't all that bad, but he tended to whiff in rounds 2-4, which probably ultimately cost him his job. Player development is the coach's job, and I hope that our staff does a better job.

Ya seriously WTF is he talkin about? Clay was a top 8 tight end this year in receiving.


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TommyNoleFin wrote:
Clay and Wilson are backups at best.


Say what...?

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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 9:47 pm 
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Clay is a stud, that's one of the most ignorant things I have heard in awhile. You can hate Ireland all you want but he definitely hit on that pick.


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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 9:49 pm 
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I wouldn't call him a stud but he certainly broke out this year. Lets see how his career unfolds now.


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TommyNoleFin wrote:
2009- Vontae Davis, Pat White, Sean Smith, Patrick Turner, Brian Hartline, John Nalbone, Chris Clemons, Andrew Gardner, J.D. Folsom

This was the first draft Ireland had control over.


Never heard this. From what I've read Parcells did not start bowing out until the 2010 Draft and it seems that 2011 was the first draft Ireland had total control over. Heck, even Parcells admits that Pat White was his pick.


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