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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 10:51 am 
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If he starts from day one and is good even great. He could still be a reach that was a successful reach . Imo.


If everyone else had him as a 2nd rounder and he starts from day one and is productive, it means everyone else missed the boat, not that he was a reach.


Yeah I see what you are saying probably semantics but I will go ahead and disagree with you just for laughs.


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If he can start from day 1 and be even remotely decent, how was he a reach?


If you could trade down ten spots and still get him, and instead you stand pat and take him, it's a reach


Is there definite proof he'd still be on the board at 29?


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If he can start from day 1 and be even remotely decent, how was he a reach?


If you could trade down ten spots and still get him, and instead you stand pat and take him, it's a reach


Is there definite proof he'd still be on the board at 29?


I don't think he would have been there had we traded down to 27 with the Saints like many suggest.

I think Arizona had their eyes on him too.


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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 10:57 am 
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Just saw Casserly pan Miami's pick as the reach of the 1st round. No surprise. I like the fact that we likely got a starter for the offensive line though. There were more talented players on the board, but the team's hand was kind of forced by the works of the previous regime. Perhaps things get better in the next round, but picking at 19 kind of sucks. The team almost always seems to win enough games to be sitting pretty far down in the draft order. When they did slip horribly and get a high pick, that pick often left us scratching our heads anyway though. Let's keep our fingers crossed for something good in the second round today....

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TommyNoleFin wrote:
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If he can start from day 1 and be even remotely decent, how was he a reach?


If you could trade down ten spots and still get him, and instead you stand pat and take him, it's a reach


We don't know that he would have been available 10 spots down. Three of the four teams right behind the Dolphins need a right tackle.

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Just saw Casserly pan Miami's pick as the reach of the 1st round.


How well did he do acquiring offensive linemen to protect David Carr?

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Rich wrote:
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Just saw Casserly pan Miami's pick as the reach of the 1st round.


How well did he do acquiring offensive linemen to protect David Carr?


Not a huge fan of his either. Been watching NFL Network all week long and his opinions have been crap for the most part.

He's just flinging poop.


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I was quite upset with this pick last night. Reminded me of 2004 aka passing on Wilfork to reach for Carey.


We helped the 'Canes break the 1st round record for highest number of players selected (6) that year, so there was a bright spot to passing on him for Carey.

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AFCMiamiEast wrote:
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I was quite upset with this pick last night. Reminded me of 2004 aka passing on Wilfork to reach for Carey.


We helped the 'Canes break the 1st round record for highest number of players selected (6) that year, so there was a bright spot to passing on him for Carey.

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Wasn't Wilfork also a Cane?

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Just saw Casserly pan Miami's pick as the reach of the 1st round.


How well did he do acquiring offensive linemen to protect David Carr?


James was a reach. He filled a need and was a safe pick for a new GM. If he starts day one and is not a turnstile, then he will be a good pick. It would be a hell of a lot better than Ireland's draft last year....

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James was a reach.


The term reach is relative. Maybe he wasn't a reach to do the Dolphins. Maybe James was the 19th best player on their board. We don't know.

And maybe if the Dolphins traded down, Arizona had James as the best player available on their board.

We don't know.

I find it interesting that after we drafted James, a couple of teams behind us, including Arizona, who has a hot mess at right tackle, traded down.

That suggests that they were possibly waiting to see what Miami does and that perhaps they would have stayed at 20 if Miami had gone with another player.

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Rich wrote:
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I was quite upset with this pick last night. Reminded me of 2004 aka passing on Wilfork to reach for Carey.


We helped the 'Canes break the 1st round record for highest number of players selected (6) that year, so there was a bright spot to passing on him for Carey.

:grin:


Wasn't Wilfork also a Cane?


Yup, just pointing out that the 'Fins contributed to a historic stat. We all know who was the best player taken that year anyway, and it wasn't Wilfork...or Carey...

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Rich wrote:
The term reach is relative. Maybe he wasn't a reach to do the Dolphins. Maybe James was the 19th best player on their board. We don't know.

And maybe if the Dolphins traded down, Arizona had James as the best player available on their board.

We don't know.

I find it interesting that after we drafted James, a couple of teams behind us, including Arizona, who has a hot mess at right tackle, traded down.

That suggests that they were possibly waiting to see what Miami does and that perhaps they would have stayed at 20 if Miami had gone with another player.

Everything is speculative & argumentative. I have no issue with the player selected. I just believe better players were on the board and hate drafting for need over more talented players. I believe that keeps teams mediocre because they are drafting lesser talent higher.

James was a reach by the talking heads.

Now James may end up being a HOFer, but he was still considered a 2nd Rd prospect & I understand not passing on him with the teams sitting behind them if they had James ranked far higher than the other guys.


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Everything is speculative & argumentative. I have no issue with the player selected. I just believe better players were on the board and hate drafting for need over more talented players.


So conceivably you simply disagree with the Dolphins as they had James as the best player on the board.

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I believe that keeps teams mediocre because they are drafting lesser talent higher.


Is his talent lesser? 6'6, 311 lbs. Size is there. Wingspan is there. Great lateral movement is there, athleticism is there. Some rawness in his footwork, seems more of a coachable issue than anything.

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James was a reach by the talking heads.


Most of the talking heads on ESPN and NFL at the time he was selected thought the guy was a good player. Mayock said everytime he put the film on he liked the kid more and more. Kiper and McShay thought the pick made sense.

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but he was still considered a 2nd Rd prospect


By who... draftniks? Who cares? What matters is which rounds teams considered he should go in.

Manziel was going top 5 in every mock. Where did he get drafted?

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hey, it could be worse...we could have drafted a de that has two acl tears in the past three years


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Rich wrote:
So conceivably you simply disagree with the Dolphins as they had James as the best player on the board.
Teams always say that, so it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

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Is his talent lesser? 6'6, 311 lbs. Size is there. Wingspan is there. Great lateral movement is there, athleticism is there. Some rawness in his footwork, seems more of a coachable issue than anything.
I think he will be fine.

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Most of the talking heads on ESPN and NFL at the time he was selected thought the guy was a good player. Mayock said everytime he put the film on he liked the kid more and more. Kiper and McShay thought the pick made sense.
He is a good player.


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Manziel was going top 5 in every mock. Where did he get drafted?
Every? I was actually surprised he went in Rd. 1.


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Every? I was actually surprised he went in Rd. 1.


Yes, every.

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Ya know picking apart peoples entire post piece by piece isn't really necessary.

I saw the bit about the trade down thing after I posted it ... guess they really wanted to make sure they got their guy lol.


That's common practice here. LOL


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Ya know picking apart peoples entire post piece by piece isn't really necessary.


There are a lot of things that are not necessary.

Posting on these forums isn't necessary.

Posting that picking apart peoples entire post piece by piece isn't really necessary isn't really necessary.

Funny how many things that aren't really necessary are being done by so many here.

Let's point all of them out!

Even if it isn't really necessary.

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Rich wrote:
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Just saw Casserly pan Miami's pick as the reach of the 1st round.


How well did he do acquiring offensive linemen to protect David Carr?


Not a huge fan of his either. Been watching NFL Network all week long and his opinions have been crap for the most part.

He's just flinging poop.


Casserly's a goon, you should see his 2nd round mock today, talk about reaches.


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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 1:51 pm 
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Dphins4me wrote:
2nd Rd. pick at No. 19. Unreal.

Not saying he will not be a decent player, but just tired of once again being disappointed in a Miami 1st Rd. pick.

When will Miami hire a GM/Coach with some balls?

Don't understand why Miami simply did not take the 3rd that was offered the very next pick & traded down?



but he would not have lasted to our 2nd round pick..


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No. 19 overall pick OT Ja'Wuan James is expected to open the season as the Dolphins' starting right tackle.
The coaching staff won't be handing James the job -- they'll say he's competing with Jason Fox -- but James has plenty of experience with 49 starts under his belt on the right side in the SEC. He should be an above-average pass protector from the get-go. Ryan Tannehill can't absorb 58 sacks again in 2014.
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Rich wrote:
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Ya know picking apart peoples entire post piece by piece isn't really necessary.


There are a lot of things that are not necessary.

Posting on these forums isn't necessary.

Posting that picking apart peoples entire post piece by piece isn't really necessary isn't really necessary.

Funny how many things that aren't really necessary are being done by so many here.

Let's point all of them out!

Even if it isn't really necessary.


This is why most of the forum people get in fights with you - the piss poor attitude and nit picking at peoples choice of words is annoying, not funny - not constructive - annoying.


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Everyone was saying Seattle reached for their last few picks too but they stuck to their guns.

Just because some analysts project the dude to be there in the second doesn't mean it's true.


Our talent evaluators aren't in Seattle's league.


Considering our talent evaluators are all new at this point, there's no way to know that.


If the head coach counts in that equation they have a head start on below average.


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IamPZ wrote:

This is why most of the forum people get in fights with you - the piss poor attitude and nit picking at peoples choice of words is annoying, not funny - not constructive - annoying.


I always skip right over those kind of posts. It's like a couple of old bitties going after each other.

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Anyway, Billick just said James was his biggest surprise of the 1st round.


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I've learned to say your piece and move on. No one cares, and the other party (no matter who it is) will never be swayed or "listen" to your point of view. It will get spun, twisted, and broken down word for word. It's like a little yappy dog, do you kick it or do you walk away? I choose to walk away.


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I've learned to say your piece and move on. No one cares, and the other party (no matter who it is) will never be swayed or "listen" to your point of view. It will get spun, twisted, and broken down word for word. It's like a little yappy dog, do you kick it or do you walk away? I choose to walk away.


Wait a min. Mak can't say never you turned me into a Henne supporter. : )


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Wait a min. Mak can't say never you turned me into a Henne supporter. : )

Thanks for the props, too bad I was wrong! lol


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