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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 9:53 am 
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Maybe the Dolphins were thinking if they traded down below Arizona, Kansas City and Cincinatti, one of them would have certainly taken James.

Arizona has a terrible situation at right tackle right now and once the Dolphins took James, the Cardinals dropped down.

One could argue that if those teams needed a tackle, why didn't they take the best available?

Because Moses has character flags and Cyrus has major injury flags for his potentially arthritic knees... and he is overhyped anyway.

So, maybe the Dolphins line of thinking was - sure we can drop down, but what happens if we do and miss out on our guy?

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20. Arizona. It’s right tackle situation is up for grabs. Bobby Massie, Nate Patter and Bradley Sowell will compete for the job. Sowell was the only one rated among the 76 tackles graded by ProFootballFocus.com (which I use as a guideline, not the bible). Sowell graded 76th of the tackles.

21. Green Bay is moving veteran Bryan Bulaga back to right tackle after an injury-plagued line had him at left tackle last year. So they’re set.

22. Philadelphia (which traded the pick to Cleveland, who took Johnny Manziel). They have fourth-overall pick Lane Johnson at right tackle. No need.

23. Kansas City. It has Donald Stephenson at right tackle, rated 64th by PFF (the Dolphins’ Bryant McKinnie was rated 67th).

24. Cincinnati. It lost Anthony Collins to Tampa Bay in free agency. Collins had replaced Andre Smith at right tackle at the end of last year. So they might be shopping for one.


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miam ... 9860.story

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Rumor had that a team wanted to trade with MIA to snatch James.


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That would explain why Miami did not trade down. At the end of the day, Hickey felt like if he would have traded down, he would have lost James.

At the end of the day, I believe Miami took the BEST ORT in the draft. He is a natural ORT and will not have to learn a new position, because he is already a ORT.

The article Rich posted points out how difficult it is for natural OLT to make the move to ORT. This was a solid move and an area of NEED.

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Makchell wrote:
Rumor had that a team wanted to trade with MIA to snatch James.


Ok I am curious which rumor?


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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 10:26 am 
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AQNOR wrote:
Makchell wrote:
Rumor had that a team wanted to trade with MIA to snatch James.


Ok I am curious which rumor?

browns and eagles were willing to do it but if you love james you take him. i think the biggest factor is lazor didnt love moses even though he coached him so that was the factor that impressed me the most


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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 11:26 am 
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I think if OTs were separated into LTs and RTs for ranking purposes, people would have a lot less heartburn over this pick.

If KC or Arizona were sniffing around, I can definitely see why they didn't bite.

I'd still like to hear about any trade deals they turned down for the pick.


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ag_fin_90 wrote:
AQNOR wrote:
Makchell wrote:
Rumor had that a team wanted to trade with MIA to snatch James.


Ok I am curious which rumor?

browns and eagles were willing to do it but if you love james you take him. i think the biggest factor is lazor didnt love moses even though he coached him so that was the factor that impressed me the most


Is there an indefinite source for this?


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ag_fin_90 wrote:
AQNOR wrote:
Makchell wrote:
Rumor had that a team wanted to trade with MIA to snatch James.


Ok I am curious which rumor?

browns and eagles were willing to do it but if you love james you take him. i think the biggest factor is lazor didnt love moses even though he coached him so that was the factor that impressed me the most


The point isn't if we had the option to trade down. The point is if we had the option to trade down and still get James.

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Rather than trading down, could they have moved up and snagged Martin?

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Rather than trading down, could they have moved up and snagged Martin?


With the numbers of holes on this team, giving up picks to move up doesn't seem like a logical decision.

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Yeah...giving up picks does suck. It depends on the number of spots they jump and what they give up though. If we only draft 4 players and 3 become starters, then I think giving up the picks is a great move. Last year, we traded up rather cheaply and then surprisingly went for Dion Jordan. He might yet pan out, but the #3 pick in the draft needs to be starting, not sitting.

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I think the board dictated it more than anything. Most had Martin going to Mia, he was off the board so they would have to risk losing the guy they wanted...

But that is if you really believe James was the guy they wanted all along and they would trade the pick and take him lower..

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Ok I am curious which rumor?

Hickey himself.


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Makchell wrote:
Ok I am curious which rumor?

Hickey himself.


Help me out Mak I have searched some and cant come up with Hickey saying people wanted to trade up to snatch James. Any help appreciated.


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Makchell wrote:
Rumor had that a team wanted to trade with MIA to snatch James.

Yeap & Houston (I think) was going to take Ted Ginn had Miami not drafted him. :haha


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Yeap & Houston (I think) was going to take Ted Ginn had Miami not drafted him. :haha


Thank god that didn't happen.

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Ok I am curious which rumor?[/quote]
browns and eagles were willing to do it but if you love james you take him. i think the biggest factor is lazor didnt love moses even though he coached him so that was the factor that impressed me the most[/quote]

The point isn't if we had the option to trade down. The point is if we had the option to trade down and still get James.[/quote]
Will never know, how many people thought no other ots would get drafted in the first? Carolina at the worst shouldve taken 1 so maybe thats who they wanted


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ag_fin_90 wrote:
how many people thought no other ots would get drafted in the first? Carolina at the worst shouldve taken 1 so maybe thats who they wanted


Cyrus has knee issues and Moses apparently has some character flags... so maybe there were simply no other tackles worth taking for anyone.

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Will never know, how many people thought no other ots would get drafted in the first? Carolina at the worst shouldve taken 1 so maybe thats who they wanted


Carolina would probably have gone into the season with the worst WR core in the league if they didn't draft one high. That was definitely their most pressing need.

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The Dolphins wanted a right tackle. They got the most pro ready right tackle in the draft with James. Something like 49 career starts at Tennessee at the right tackle position. This kid most definitely won't be learning a new position. He's simply someone you plug straight into that right tackle position day one. Not the flashy pick you want, but definitely a choice based on need. Personally, I really liked Moses in the draft process. But James doesn't come with the character concerns that Moses does.
As far as the Dolphins trading back. Sometimes it's better to stay put and go with the highest player available on your board. That is what they did in my opinion. The rumor all along was that Miami had a first round grade on James and that they were high on him.
The second and third rounds will be very telling. Everyone knew Ireland left Hickey with a depleted offensive line. But there is much speculation that we're in need of help at guard, tightend, wideout, linebacker, and even runningback. What the Dolphins do in the 2nd and 3rd rounds with be very telling in my opinion.


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wkloiber13 wrote:
But there is much speculation that we're in need of help at guard, tightend, wideout, linebacker, and even runningback.


OG and LB are the only two positions that we are truly in a bad spot with. The backs should improve greatly with the revamped OL.

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Rich wrote:
ag_fin_90 wrote:
how many people thought no other ots would get drafted in the first? Carolina at the worst shouldve taken 1 so maybe thats who they wanted


Cyrus has knee issues and Moses apparently has some character flags... so maybe there were simply no other tackles worth taking for anyone.

Cyrus also isnt in shape to be a fit

Carolina would probably have gone into the season with the worst WR core in the league if they didn't draft one high. That was definitely their most pressing need.

There are many wrs in day 2 but not as many tackles and as many offensive players as they lost its more on Cam then ever so they need to protect him


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"@mleblanc581: For those saying James was a reach, how do we know Ari wouldn't have kept their pick, taken James? » exactly what I was told


https://twitter.com/OmarKelly


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Sorry AQNOR, I can't find the quote that I read last night. I was stoopid (get it Jammer lol) after the draft and high on hops...lol.


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Makchell wrote:
Sorry AQNOR, I can't find the quote that I read last night. I was stoopid (get it Jammer lol) after the draft and high on hops...lol.


No problem I am just trying to catch up.


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