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Great Caesar's Ghost! I haven't seen a back and forth like this in quite some time.

The only thing I'll contribute to this is I find the Jackie Robinson comparison completely wrong. Jackie Robinson was one of the greatest players of all time in his sport who was being denied an opportunity and broke through when his presence wasn't welcomed by a lot of the country.

Michael Sam is a fringe player who isn't being held back by his sexuality. He's being held back by his level of talent. If teams were passing on Jadeveon Clowney because he was gay I'd say you have yourself a nice comparison.

There is a decent chance he was drafted simply because he came out and it makes for a nice Cub Scout badge for the NFL to say they have an openly gay player. Good for them. Its good business because now you have a larger audience who will cheer this guy on, buy his jersey and put more dollars in the league's pocket.


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If you do not watch gay porn, you're a homophobe.

If not watching makes you a homophobe, does that mean watching it means you're gay? :headscratch


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What if it's girl on girl?


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What if it's girl on girl?

Then you are just really, really confused and have the wrong piping. :haha


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Yeah, but its ok for a guy to kiss his girlfriend.

Nice job, you're just as bad as these Phins players.


Dude, the guy slapped cake in his boy friend's face and licked it off. Have you EVER seen that from any one else? It was disgusting, 'NoleFin is right.


Exactly. You don't see guys doing that to girls on national TV after they just got drafted by a team. Gay or straight, you shouldn't be flaunting your sexual orientation to the world. You don't see me up on a podium saying, "Hey, I'm openly straight. That's my wife"

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I haven't posted on this forum in quite some time. This topic is bringing me out of retirement.

As a Libertarian minded person, I have zero issues with him being a homosexual. In fact, it is my position that if he wanted to sleep with men and a donkey at the same time, it's his business. Not mine, not yours, not his employer or anyone else for that matter.

What I do have an issue with is the over-glorification and special attention he received simply because of his sexual orientation.

I saw no other players get as much attention during ESPN's broadcast for a 7th round pick in this draft. Especially the whole crying (which a lot of players did this year by the way SISSIES!), kissing, hugging, cake ordeal and whatnot.

So my position of anger isn't toward Sam himself, but toward the media and the way they treated the situation.

Now Rodney, as someone who makes pretty radical claims like the following:

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Gay bashers are on the wrong side of history just as racists were.


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I wish people would put as much energy into solving real problems instead of worrying about what someone else is doing that has no effect on them whatsoever.


You've got me curious, what topics would you rather discuss and keep in mind you said that don't affect them whatsoever. Maybe the situation affected someone... and they want to talk about it.

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One day society will view anti-gay comments with the same regard as the KKK receives now.


That last comment is a very broad stroke opinion that I find pretty obnoxious. If you're trying to have an educated discussion on the topic at hand, your approach is lacking significantly. I didin't know you spoke for me, seeing I'm part of society, and to back your claims up, I want to see some signficant proof that the majority of our society thinks along those lines.

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But people around you, including your employer, are free to respond accordingly, and some opinions are not to be tolerated.


I suppose you're fine with that as long as the fight is on your side, right? What if I was your employer and we ran a Christian operation that believed the Bible and perceived people who were homosexual to be sinners and didn't allow any talk and behavior set forth accordingly? What if, as your private business employer, I didn't allow your opinion to support homosexuals to be allowed?

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It just isn't ok to say some things.


Actually, it is... it's called the Bill of Rights and you may want to check the very 1st one. Besides, what if I think it's not OK for you to say what you say? Who's moral standards do you want to limit speech by?

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It's not free thinking, it's close-minded and outdated


If you're going to tell someone they aren't free-thinkers for expressing their opinions and say their opinion is "oudated", then perhaps you should look in the mirror.

I smell hypocrisy.

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Anti-gay speech is the same as racist speech and people want to distance themselves from people who think that way. You're free to have your opinion, but not free from its negative consequences.


Again, you're speaking on a general persumption for all people. Ever thought that ALL people don't perceive things the way you think they should? And in doing so and reacting the way you have in this thread, you're the real hypocrite here?

I live in Alabama, which is probably one of the worst perceived places in the country for racism, bigotry and hate toward certain ethnicity in the country. My point is, if I told you I was a white country boy from the backwoods in Alabama, would you assume I was a Bible thumping racist Christian man if I told you I thought homosecual activity was wrong?

Anti-gay speech isn't any more offending if you're truly open-minded like you claim, than pro-gay speech. It's just your feelings that get hurt about it. The same sentence you just spoke, I think you need to reread for yourself and apply it to your own life.

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You're free to have your opinion, but not free from its negative consequences.


You Rodney are free to have your own opinion, but are not free from it's negative consequences from someone who has a different opinion other than yours.

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Too be honest with the cake thing, I wouldn't want to see a guy lick cake off his wife or girlfriend's face either. Sam has his own bottomline ticker on espn, it's a joke and overblown.

Yeah, but if it was two women it would have been HOT! :haha

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If you do not watch gay porn, you're a homophobe.

If not watching makes you a homophobe, does that mean watching it means you're gay? :headscratch


Yes, there is no middle ground anymore. The gay rights people said so.

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Dphins4me wrote:
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If you do not watch gay porn, you're a homophobe.

If not watching makes you a homophobe, does that mean watching it means you're gay? :headscratch


Yes, there is no middle ground anymore. The gay rights people said so.


I've had a threesome with 2 bi-sexual women, am I gay?

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The only thing I'll contribute to this is I find the Jackie Robinson comparison completely wrong. Jackie Robinson was one of the greatest players of all time in his sport who was being denied an opportunity and broke through when his presence wasn't welcomed by a lot of the country.

Michael Sam is a fringe player who isn't being held back by his sexuality. He's being held back by his level of talent. If teams were passing on Jadeveon Clowney because he was gay I'd say you have yourself a nice comparison.


Not only is Sam not held back by his sexual orientation, him being openly gay is a choice. Your race is not. Gays are trying to get themselves classified as a minority. I don't agree with that at all because Sam/gays never had to endure the following that Robinson/blacks did:

- Denied entrance to a hotel, restaurant, club or other service establishment

- Educated at separate schools and not allowed to participate in certain activities

- Forced to use separate bathrooms and water fountains

- Made to sit in the back of a bus or train

- Denied employment, housing, loans, or medical care

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Setting aside the extended politics of the situation, Jackie Robinson's undeniable top shelf talent helped break a visible barrier and pave the way for guys to enter a sport based on talent.

I can't with certainty say the same for Michael Sam. I'm not sure if there is a visible barrier to homosexuals playing football. There may be discomfort from perceptions and language used in locker rooms, but is there a barrier? And if teams start drafting guys based on things other than talent, is that progress for a results driven game?

As for stuff shown on TV, its the networks' choice to air it. You have the choice to watch it or not watch it. I promise you, if ESPN sees a dip in their ratings for the Sam coverage then they will make adjustments. They, along with the NFL, care about money and the Sam coverage brings them a larger audience it equals more dollars. If its the reverse...well I think you get my point.


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Not only is Sam not held back by his sexual orientation, him being openly gay is a choice. Your race is not. Gays are trying to get themselves classified as a minority. I don't agree with that at all


His choice to be openly gay yes, his choice to be gay is a matter of opinion. I do not feel that is a choice for a person to make. I have no ability to make it myself. I am not attracted to men and I can not choose to be.

Sam is not held back by his sexual orientation, he is held back by simple minded players who are afraid to be around a gay man and spineless coaches/GM's who are afraid it will disrupt the locker room..

He was drafted, and will have the same opportunity. I just hope his sexual orientation is not used as a bargining chip. Let the talent do the talking.

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I do have an interesting question that has ran across my mind since the whole locker room scenario got brought up.

If you haven't been in a locker room, I don't know how you could answer it, but regardless the opinions are welcomed.

Things happen in locker rooms. They just do. Antics involving things that probably shouldn't happen, but again, they do. Been there, done it.

So you've got a locker room half full of naked men roaming around... in front of a homosexual man. I've heard the argument before that "Oh... I don't look at ALL men like that...". I personally don't believe that. If you're attracted to men, you'll look at them, especially in a locker room where they're all butt naked. Just like a heterosexual man would look at women if he was in a locker room full of naked women running around butt naked. It's going to happen.

What happens when someone is freaked out by what they feel is Michael Sam catching a peek of their junk for a little to long or when their in the showers and someone feels he's checking out their rear end... if someone says something non-supportive or asks him to stop, are they instantly a locker room cancer and a homophobe/bigot/non-tolerant who should be suspended from the team? I just don't know how this dynamic works out.


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Coots wrote:
I haven't posted on this forum in quite some time. This topic is bringing me out of retirement.

As a Libertarian minded person, I have zero issues with him being a homosexual. In fact, it is my position that if he wanted to sleep with men and a donkey at the same time, it's his business. Not mine, not yours, not his employer or anyone else for that matter.

What I do have an issue with is the over-glorification and special attention he received simply because of his sexual orientation.

I saw no other players get as much attention during ESPN's broadcast for a 7th round pick in this draft. Especially the whole crying (which a lot of players did this year by the way SISSIES!), kissing, hugging, cake ordeal and whatnot.

So my position of anger isn't toward Sam himself, but toward the media and the way they treated the situation.

Now Rodney, as someone who makes pretty radical claims like the following:

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Gay bashers are on the wrong side of history just as racists were.


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I wish people would put as much energy into solving real problems instead of worrying about what someone else is doing that has no effect on them whatsoever.


You've got me curious, what topics would you rather discuss and keep in mind you said that don't affect them whatsoever. Maybe the situation affected someone... and they want to talk about it.

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One day society will view anti-gay comments with the same regard as the KKK receives now.


That last comment is a very broad stroke opinion that I find pretty obnoxious. If you're trying to have an educated discussion on the topic at hand, your approach is lacking significantly. I didin't know you spoke for me, seeing I'm part of society, and to back your claims up, I want to see some signficant proof that the majority of our society thinks along those lines.

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But people around you, including your employer, are free to respond accordingly, and some opinions are not to be tolerated.


I suppose you're fine with that as long as the fight is on your side, right? What if I was your employer and we ran a Christian operation that believed the Bible and perceived people who were homosexual to be sinners and didn't allow any talk and behavior set forth accordingly? What if, as your private business employer, I didn't allow your opinion to support homosexuals to be allowed?

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It just isn't ok to say some things.


Actually, it is... it's called the Bill of Rights and you may want to check the very 1st one. Besides, what if I think it's not OK for you to say what you say? Who's moral standards do you want to limit speech by?

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It's not free thinking, it's close-minded and outdated


If you're going to tell someone they aren't free-thinkers for expressing their opinions and say their opinion is "oudated", then perhaps you should look in the mirror.

I smell hypocrisy.

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Anti-gay speech is the same as racist speech and people want to distance themselves from people who think that way. You're free to have your opinion, but not free from its negative consequences.


Again, you're speaking on a general persumption for all people. Ever thought that ALL people don't perceive things the way you think they should? And in doing so and reacting the way you have in this thread, you're the real hypocrite here?

I live in Alabama, which is probably one of the worst perceived places in the country for racism, bigotry and hate toward certain ethnicity in the country. My point is, if I told you I was a white country boy from the backwoods in Alabama, would you assume I was a Bible thumping racist Christian man if I told you I thought homosecual activity was wrong?

Anti-gay speech isn't any more offending if you're truly open-minded like you claim, than pro-gay speech. It's just your feelings that get hurt about it. The same sentence you just spoke, I think you need to reread for yourself and apply it to your own life.

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You're free to have your opinion, but not free from its negative consequences.


You Rodney are free to have your own opinion, but are not free from it's negative consequences from someone who has a different opinion other than yours.

OT. Is so nice to see you coots. It's probably not the place to say it. But I've missed you.


It's nice to see you too Debby. <3


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I do have an interesting question that has ran across my mind since the whole locker room scenario got brought up.

If you haven't been in a locker room, I don't know how you could answer it, but regardless the opinions are welcomed.

Things happen in locker rooms. They just do. Antics involving things that probably shouldn't happen, but again, they do. Been there, done it.

So you've got a locker room half full of naked men roaming around... in front of a homosexual man. I've heard the argument before that "Oh... I don't look at ALL men like that...". I personally don't believe that. If you're attracted to men, you'll look at them, especially in a locker room where they're all butt naked. Just like a heterosexual man would look at women if he was in a locker room full of naked women running around butt naked. It's going to happen.

What happens when someone is freaked out by what they feel is Michael Sam catching a peek of their junk for a little to long or when their in the showers and someone feels he's checking out their rear end... if someone says something non-supportive or asks him to stop, are they instantly a locker room cancer and a homophobe/bigot/non-tolerant who should be suspended from the team? I just don't know how this dynamic works out.


And there-in lies a massive grey area, which no sports entity is prepared for. I'm sorry but anyone trying to convince me Michael Sam won't ever check out his naked peers is a freakin' liar. It's human nature. Us straight guys would do it if we were in a locker room full of naked women.

Personally, I think there are going to be situations where it doesn't blow over well with other players and it's going to cause issues, even so far as sexual harrassment (perceived or legitimate).

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And there-in lies a massive grey area, which no sports entity is prepared for. I'm sorry but anyone trying to convince me Michael Sam won't ever check out his naked peers is a freakin' liar. It's human nature. Us straight guys would do it if we were in a locker room full of naked women.

Personally, I think there are going to be situations where it doesn't blow over well with other players and it's going to cause issues, even so far as sexual harrassment (perceived or legitimate).


Players like Don Jones makes it easy for the team to discipline them. The other stuff will be harder to prove. And I think all of us heterosexual males dream of a co-ed bathroom. Hey, we want equal time!

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No pun intended eh Rock! :haha


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Strange how he made it all the way to this point in football locker rooms and showers without anyone noticing his inability to not focus on the penis






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Strange how he made it all the way to this point in football locker rooms and showers without anyone noticing his inability to not focus on the penis


I didn't say it happened in the past. My situation is hypothetical, sure... but it raises an interesting question of "what if". Simply because his teammates and others to this point haven't said anything, doesn't mean they won't. Maybe not even on purpose. What if it happens in day-to-day habits? The word gay or fa*%ot gets tossed out around me all the time. Just like the "N" word does... by the race that usually has a problem with that word according to the media... they call me that on a regular basis and I'm WHITE. And not in the supportive, clap and raise the banner ways everyone pushes for. My question was, what happens IF they do. Or maybe the better question is this: Are the recent events that has exploded across the media pertaining to this situation made people who feel weird about the whole potential locker room thing be forced to hold their emotions back and just talk among themselves in private conversations about it? What if another teammate, I don't know, text another teammate and says "Dude, I think Sam checked my butt out in the shower, gross!" (or much worse)... and then a situation comes up where the "friend" drops the dime on him aka Martin / Incognito.

Did you predict Jones saying OMG and Horrible before it happened? Neither did I.. and I doubt anyone predicts the next "issue"...

Just for curiosity sake, have you been in a locker room before? There's no wrong answer, I'm just curious.


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Strange how he made it all the way to this point in football locker rooms and showers without anyone noticing his inability to not focus on the penis

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He's only been "out" since right before his senior year started. Nobody would've had any inclination prior to that.

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Strange how he made it all the way to this point in football locker rooms and showers without anyone noticing his inability to not focus on the penis

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He's only been "out" since right before his senior year started. Nobody would've had any inclination prior to that.


He came out, he didnt decide to be gay. It was not so unknown that he was gay in the first place and he wanted to tell his teamates before it was leaked.

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Strange how he made it all the way to this point in football locker rooms and showers without anyone noticing his inability to not focus on the penis


I didn't say it happened in the past. My situation is hypothetical, sure... but it raises an interesting question of "what if". Simply because his teammates and others to this point haven't said anything, doesn't mean they won't. Maybe not even on purpose. What if it happens in day-to-day habits? The word gay or fa*%ot gets tossed out around me all the time. Just like the "N" word does... by the race that usually has a problem with that word according to the media... they call me that on a regular basis and I'm WHITE. And not in the supportive, clap and raise the banner ways everyone pushes for. My question was, what happens IF they do. Or maybe the better question is this: Are the recent events that has exploded across the media pertaining to this situation made people who feel weird about the whole potential locker room thing be forced to hold their emotions back and just talk among themselves in private conversations about it? What if another teammate, I don't know, text another teammate and says "Dude, I think Sam checked my butt out in the shower, gross!" (or much worse)... and then a situation comes up where the "friend" drops the dime on him aka Martin / Incognito.

Did you predict Jones saying OMG and Horrible before it happened? Neither did I.. and I doubt anyone predicts the next "issue"...

Just for curiosity sake, have you been in a locker room before? There's no wrong answer, I'm just curious.


These are all issues that straight players will have to deal with. If the NFL has decided that they are welcoming gay players with open arms, then the straight players will need to deal with it or not play.
Words only have power when used in a certain way. I said that during the whole bullygate BS, guys are guys, gay or straight.
I have not been in a NFL locker room. At least not during normal day to day activities.

But I have and do work with gay men, and when I say men I mean it. Guys that burp, fart, curse, make derogatory jokes etc, even laugh my arse off when the gay guy makes fun of a straight guy by calling him gay. Calling the gay guy gay is pointless, he just laughs and says yeah, so..

We are not talking about Johnny Weir, Michael Sam is a football player.

I can watch Anderson Cooper for hours on end and never once pick up on his sexuality.

Also why is this not a problem in womens sports?

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These are all issues that straight players will have to deal with. If the NFL has decided that they are welcoming gay players with open arms, then the straight players will need to deal with it or not play.


Interesting. Why is it forced on the straight player to deal with it? Why isn't it on the minority to deal with it? There is no heroism in "coming out". There shouldn't be any special attention given to one particular person or group of people. What if he offends someone in the locker room with the above scenario before? Do they have the right to speak up about it and not be punished and suspended?

Do we now have to have rules in place if those who don't want to shower in front of the gay speaks up and says "I refuse to take a shower in front of this guy" or "I refuse to dress in front of this guy.

Sure, take showers at different times. Dress at different times. But then is Michael Sam going to be offended and press the issue that his teammates are segregating him because of his sexuality?

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But I have and do work with gay men, and when I say men I mean it. Guys that burp, fart, curse, make derogatory jokes etc, even laugh my arse off when the gay guy makes fun of a straight guy by calling him gay. Calling the gay guy gay is pointless, he just laughs and says yeah, so..


So what happens when the gay guy gets pissed at the other employee and goes and says "This guy has broken me down emotionally for years now. I'm filing a claim.

So if/when a story breaks out about a player caling Sam gay or a fa%*ot on the field or in the locker room, what should happen?

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Also why is this not a problem in womens sports?


Who said it isn't? It may not get as much attention, but there's been plenty documented about it. Read about it on the net. I have a good friend who was part of a collegiate softball team and she said lesbianism (is this a word?) is rampant in the women's softball world. Why don't you hear about it then? Because it's womens softball, not the NFL. A fraction of the people care about women softball vs the ones that care about the NFL. When's the last time you heard about a softball player getting recruited to a college team or "drafted" by a pro womens softball team (if there is a league because frankly I don't know), much less an event like what takes place for the draft.


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Its being forced on both sides, not just one or the other. The gay man has to act accordingly when in the locker room same as the straight man.

Obviously being an open gay man is not the issue with players using rude comments or harrasment as a scape goat. Many have insinuated that J Martin is gay, but as far as I know he is not.
Yet he went and did all the "what ifs" you mentioned, and what is to stop other players struggling to earn a roster spot from doing the same?
I dont see how gay comes into play other that it being another excuse for some roster bubble player to not get cut. That is the issue the teams are facing now, and why the NFL is needed sensitivity training before it starts happening more and more.

Sure are a lot of what ifs to really say one way or another anyway.
But I dont see how being openly gay will be that much of an issue, to be honest based on my experience with openly gay people, I would say most of it will be worked out between OTA's and camp. Many guys who may be a bit leary will get to know him and feel less threatened, as well as realizing saying "your a fag" to another player when hes around is not going to be an issue.

And if it does, so be it. It obviously also offends straight men, and causes a lot of issues for a football team. I sure would prefer coaching staffs keep the locker room in order so we dont have to deal with what we saw last year.

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I wonder how long it will be until there is an inter locker room relationship.

It seems logical to me, at least, that if there are going to be players that are attracted to the nude form of another that different shower and dressing rooms be provided. It just seems like a common courtesy for all involved.


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I wonder how long it will be until there is an inter locker room relationship.

It seems logical to me, at least, that if there are going to be players that are attracted to the nude form of another that different shower and dressing rooms be provided. It just seems like a common courtesy for all involved.


It is homophobic for straight males to feel uncomfortable showering around gay males who may be checking out what they're packing.

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Seems to me that the "gay" player might want a different place to shower etc ... why live with the distraction. Can you imagine an office situation where heterosexual men and women showered together. How problematic that could be on so many different levels.


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I wonder how long it will be until there is an inter locker room relationship.

It seems logical to me, at least, that if there are going to be players that are attracted to the nude form of another that different shower and dressing rooms be provided. It just seems like a common courtesy for all involved.


It is homophobic for straight males to feel uncomfortable showering around gay males who may be checking out what they're packing.


Oh yeah I forgot. PC more important than common sense imo.


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It is homophobic for straight males to feel uncomfortable showering around gay males who may be checking out what they're packing.


I never understood the description "homophobic". Webster's defines "phobia" as "an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation." I have gay friends but their lifestyle grosses me out. There is no fear involved in those feelings whatsoever.

One thing that I am on board with is that a lot of the exposure that we are being bombarded with has made society gone from gay bashing to treating them like people with real feelings ... and that is how everyone should be treated. I do think that there should be other shower arrangements made for gay players.

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Can you imagine an office situation where heterosexual men and women showered together. How problematic that could be on so many different levels.


Actually, that sounds very healthy to me... depending on the appearance of the female co-workers.

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One thing that I am on board with is that a lot of the exposure that we are being bombarded with has made society gone from gay bashing to treating them like people with real feelings ... and that is how everyone should be treated. I do think that there should be other shower arrangements made for gay players.


I think deviders for shower stalls is an easy solution.. Not like we are talking the local YMCA, these are state of the art multi million dollar facilities with all the best equipment. Surely attaching some shower deviders would not be to problematic, and then players would all be able to shower and put on a towel or boxers etc in privacy.

Just me or is it odd that the biggest problem is that the straight men will not be able to walk around naked for fear that a gay guy catches a peek... Whats the deal, I mean is it that much fun or that important to playing football to be naked in a room full of men?

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Just me or is it odd that the biggest problem is that the straight men will not be able to walk around naked for fear that a gay guy catches a peek... Whats the deal, I mean is it that much fun or that important to playing football to be naked in a room full of men?


I don't think it's the "peek" that bothers a straight man. In fact, a lot of us have no shame about out bodies. It is what follows after the peek whether you can see it or not.

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I don't think it's the "peek" that bothers a straight man. In fact, a lot of us have no shame about out bodies. It is what follows after the peek whether you can see it or not.


Well when "little dave" is banging from knee cap to knee cap as you walk by I bet you are fine with it... My mr winkie is shy :fart:

Seriously I think this speculation is silly. Artie Lange had put it the best a long while back, when the NFL has a top player come out it will change everything.. Sam was a late round talent. When a guy projected as a top 5, you know the type of talent you cant let go by, when he says I am gay, then we will see what happens.
Or even better a current top player with a contract. When the 2nd string DB is uncomfortable with the starting top 5 ILB's sexual prefernce I bet you will find 32 teams that can tell you an easy solution...

Also, nobody seems to care in NE about Brady.... ;-)

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Just me or is it odd that the biggest problem is that the straight men will not be able to walk around naked for fear that a gay guy catches a peek... Whats the deal, I mean is it that much fun or that important to playing football to be naked in a room full of men?


I don't think it's the "peek" that bothers a straight man. In fact, a lot of us have no shame about out bodies. It is what follows after the peek whether you can see it or not.


A "poke" follows the "peek".

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Great Caesar's Ghost! I haven't seen a back and forth like this in quite some time.


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10acjed wrote:
Just me or is it odd that the biggest problem is that the straight men will not be able to walk around naked for fear that a gay guy catches a peek... Whats the deal, I mean is it that much fun or that important to playing football to be naked in a room full of men?


I don't think it's the "peek" that bothers a straight man. In fact, a lot of us have no shame about out bodies. It is what follows after the peek whether you can see it or not.


A "poke" follows the "peek".


I see what you did there... wait... do I want to see what you did there?

Now I'm confused.

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Big Dave wrote:

I don't think it's the "peek" that bothers a straight man. In fact, a lot of us have no shame about out bodies. It is what follows after the peek whether you can see it or not.


A "poke" follows the "peek".


I see what you did there... wait... do I want to see what you did there?

Now I'm confused.

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Look just don't stare... :grin:

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jammer wrote:
Great Caesar's Ghost! I haven't seen a back and forth like this in quite some time.


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Ok, this just cannot happen. I quoted Al Bundy (in response to seeing what a refrigerator filled with food looks like). You just...you can't put Burgundy in that league pal.


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Well when "little dave" is banging from knee cap to knee cap as you walk by I bet you are fine with it... My mr winkie is shy :fart:


I spit my beer out, seriously funny stuff. They don't call him "bigdave" for nothing, I've heard, not experienced, not that there's anything wrong with it. lololol


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