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Wide receiver Jarvis Landry, a second-round draft pick out of LSU, has displayed good hands and route-running savvy.

Miami Dolphins rookie receivers Jarvis Landry (14) and Matt Hazel (83) walk off the field after practice at Dolphins rookie camp in Davie, Florida, May 23, 2014. CHARLES TRAINOR JR / MIAMI

Coaches love good hands. Jarvis Landry has good hands — and showed them off just an hour into his first rookie minicamp practice.

During seven-on-seven drills Friday, the Dolphins’ second-round draft pick darted off the line, got behind cornerback Walt Aikens and made a leaping, contorting catch near the left sideline.

And, just as importantly, he kept his balance, turned up field and picked up even more yards.

Granted, it was just a moment in time. But it was a telling one for Landry, the receiver out of LSU whose dependability makes up for what he lacks in explosiveness.

“It was a fade [route],” Aikens explained later. “I think it was the quarterback [Brock Jensen] trusting me to make a play, and I did.”

Landry made lots of those plays during his three years with the Tigers. Of his 77 catches as a junior — when he was LSU’s most valuable player — 62 went for first downs.

So far, that hasn’t changed at the next level.

“He always made plays, got separation, got open and made great catches, and that’s what he’s been doing for us the last two weeks,” Dolphins general manager Dennis Hickey said.

Familiarity in the system surely helps. There has been much curiosity this offseason over what new coordinator Bill Lazor’s offense will try to do in Miami.

Landry said it’s nearly identical to what he ran at LSU — which is Cam Cameron’s version of Air Coryell. Cameron, the former Dolphins coach, is now the Tigers’ offensive coordinator. Taking — and hitting on — downfield shots are a big part of his system.

It worked. LSU averaged 10 yards per pass attempt last year. The Dolphins, meanwhile, managed just 6.

It was tough to make any sweeping generalizations about Lazor’s offense after one practice — particularly one featuring some 70 guys who won’t be on the team. But Landry’s take dovetails with the scouting report provided by Mike Wallace earlier in the spring. Wallace called Lazor’ system a “big-play” offense.

So why wasn’t Landry a first-round pick?

He’s under 6 feet, and his NFL Scouting Combine 40 time was an injury-slowed 4.77 seconds. Although he ran faster at his pro day, Landry will never be confused with a burner.

But Hickey put more stock in Landry’s college tape than in a couple of sprints in shorts. Landry averaged 15.5 yards per catch last year and had 10 touchdowns.

“That’s the important thing to us,” Hickey said. “It’s not a number on a stopwatch, it’s how fast they play with a helmet, shoulder pads and other guys trying to cover him.”

Aikens had trouble doing that Friday — and ultimately left the field because of dehydration.

That’s why no one should write off Landry playing meaningful offensive snaps this fall, even with the Dolphins returning their top nine pass-catchers from 2013. On the job for just two weeks, he has already worked at all the receiver positions — both on the outside and in the slot.

More likely, however, Landry will also need to be a special-teams presence to get activated on Sundays.

“I’m very confident,” Landry said. “But at the same time, I’m selfless, and I believe in the overall view and overall vision of the team and the core values that we stand for in Miami.”


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Would not surprise me at all if he had a better career than odell beckham.


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Definitely going to be an offensive rookie of the year candidate.

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Definitely going to be an offensive rookie of the year candidate.


LOL ... especially against other rookies.

I'm not surprised that Landry made those catches and tried to get more yards after he caught it. He'll be a fiery leader in our wide receiver group. I think the question is if he can do it against starting cornerbacks in the NFL as his speed and separation skills are in question. I think he can and I think fans will love him. Unfortunately it is hard to please Dolphin fans as Brian Hartline gets a lot of criticism and all he has done is catch 1000 yards in his last two seasons with us, and catch some tough passes. He even found the end zone 4 times last year.

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With Wallace drawing so much attention and coverage away from Hartline, a thousand yards and 4 TD's isn't all that amazing IMO. I'd rather Landry develop into a strong #2 and Hartline provide a strong #3 chain mover role.


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Definitely looking forward to watching this guy move the chains for our offense this season. I'd put the O/U on his rookie production at 35, 400, 3.

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Definitely looking forward to watching this guy move the chains for our offense this season. I'd put the O/U on his rookie production at 400 and 3.


If he were to win the starting slot job he'll do alot more than that.


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I really think Tannehill will "move on" from Wallace (yes I think this is his last season as a Dolphin) and realize as reliable as Hartline is he needs to establish himself with a receiver and this will be the guy. As Tannehill becomes elite so will Landry. This can be the next great QB \ Receiver combo.

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I try to be reasonable with my rookie expectations but there's something about this guy. He's like a ready-made veteran the way players and coaches talk about him.


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Definitely looking forward to watching this guy move the chains for our offense this season. I'd put the O/U on his rookie production at 400 and 3.


If he were to win the starting slot job he'll do alot more than that.


I know, it's way too early in the off season to accurately predict what he'll produce. Even with him winning the starting job over Gibson, I'd bet money he doesn't significantly beat that line.

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With Wallace drawing so much attention and coverage away from Hartline, a thousand yards and 4 TD's isn't all that amazing IMO. I'd rather Landry develop into a strong #2 and Hartline provide a strong #3 chain mover role.


He produced nearly identical numbers in 2012 without benefiting off Wallace's field presence.

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I think that back to back 1000 yard seasons is well above normal in the NFL.


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I hope that Landry is a HOF'er for the Phins. I am not terribly excited that he has caught some passes in practice.


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I think that back to back 1000 yard seasons is well above normal in the NFL.


Yes, he's an above average wide receiver.


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AQNOR wrote:
I think that back to back 1000 yard seasons is well above normal in the NFL.


I am obviously speaking for myself butI think for most of us who are critical of Hartline are of the opinion that he makes too much money, not that he's a bad WR, he's a good WR, but he doesn't score enough or present much of a scoring threat, his 2000 +yds in 2 years is slightly above avg for a starter, his 10 TDs in 5 years is well below avg, that is a big balancing factor when determining his worth.

Hartline has see a ton of passes come his way over the past 5 years around 480, his catch % is about 60%, when a player has a low catch% and is a starter, they are usually giving you something in return, as in TDs or 100+ catch seasons or both, but your not getting that with Hartline, in 76 games he has only 7 games with over 5 catches and only 5 100yds games, with only 2 of those exceeding 125yds, and of course only 10 TDs in 5 years, 10 TDs out of nearly 500 passes is alarmingly low, and he's making 6 mil a year, Cruz just signed a similar contract.

Something that is also interesting to look at, Hartline is still chasing Bess in Dolphin history for catches and TDs, he does have around 300 more yards, but is trailing Bess by 62 catches, 62, thats a big number considering Hartline has 53 starts 76 games as a Dolphin and Bess has 33 starts in 77 games, Bess put up most of his stats with Henne, Hartline put most of his with a better QB but is still chasing Bess, who also caught at around 70% with the Fins.

He's a great 3rd WR but a marginal starter imo, and we should be looking to upgrade at his position if possible, it's not an emergency but that $ could be better spent in many of our minds.

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I am not a fan of the Landry pick but I am impressed by him as a player, I'm not sure he'll be able to translate to the NFL but I'll be rooting for him.

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Something that is also interesting to look at, Hartline is still chasing Bess in Dolphin history for catches and TDs, he does have around 300 more yards, but is trailing Bess by 62 catches, 62, thats a big number considering Hartline has 53 starts 76 games as a Dolphin and Bess has 33 starts in 77 games, Bess put up most of his stats with Henne, Hartline put most of his with a better QB but is still chasing Bess, who also caught at around 70% with the Fins.


You're comparing two completely different receivers. Hartline works down field and down the side lines (more difficult, lower percentage plays to execute) while Bess worked 5-15 yard routes down the middle of the field out the slot, plays that you see being executed and targeted much more often.

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I think that back to back 1000 yard seasons is well above normal in the NFL.


I am obviously speaking for myself butI think for most of us who are critical of Hartline are of the opinion that he makes too much money, not that he's a bad WR, he's a good WR, but he doesn't score enough or present much of a scoring threat, his 2000 +yds in 2 years is slightly above avg for a starter, his 10 TDs in 5 years is well below avg, that is a big balancing factor when determining his worth.

Hartline has see a ton of passes come his way over the past 5 years around 480, his catch % is about 60%, when a player has a low catch% and is a starter, they are usually giving you something in return, as in TDs or 100+ catch seasons or both, but your not getting that with Hartline, in 76 games he has only 7 games with over 5 catches and only 5 100yds games, with only 2 of those exceeding 125yds, and of course only 10 TDs in 5 years, 10 TDs out of nearly 500 passes is alarmingly low, and he's making 6 mil a year, Cruz just signed a similar contract.

Something that is also interesting to look at, Hartline is still chasing Bess in Dolphin history for catches and TDs, he does have around 300 more yards, but is trailing Bess by 62 catches, 62, thats a big number considering Hartline has 53 starts 76 games as a Dolphin and Bess has 33 starts in 77 games, Bess put up most of his stats with Henne, Hartline put most of his with a better QB but is still chasing Bess, who also caught at around 70% with the Fins.

He's a great 3rd WR but a marginal starter imo, and we should be looking to upgrade at his position if possible, it's not an emergency but that $ could be better spent in many of our minds.

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With an improved offensive line and Lazor's fast paced offense.....give Tannehill more time to throw and better plays called getting the receivers into open space, I would not be surprised one bit that Tanny throws for 4500 yards this season. Look for Wallace and Hartline's numbers to go up if they stay healthy.


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Definitely going to be an offensive rookie of the year candidate.


LOL ... especially against other rookies.

I'm not surprised that Landry made those catches and tried to get more yards after he caught it. He'll be a fiery leader in our wide receiver group. I think the question is if he can do it against starting cornerbacks in the NFL as his speed and separation skills are in question. I think he can and I think fans will love him. Unfortunately it is hard to please Dolphin fans as Brian Hartline gets a lot of criticism and all he has done is catch 1000 yards in his last two seasons with us, and catch some tough passes. He even found the end zone 4 times last year.


Exactly. Despite his performance in practice, he was going against guys who will be sitting in the bars watching the games with us come the end of August.

He's undersized and slow and IMO not worth a second round pick. If he starts making catches like this against Darelle Revis or Richard Sherman, then come talk to me.

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Exactly. Despite his performance in practice, he was going against guys who will be sitting in the bars watching the games with us come the end of August.

He's undersized and slow and IMO not worth a second round pick. If he starts making catches like this against Darelle Revis or Richard Sherman, then come talk to me.


Geez it is his rookie camp. Give him a break. The reporters are just writing what they see on the kid. Plus I think he is going to be a pleasant surprise, but give him a chance.


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AFCMiamiEast wrote:
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Something that is also interesting to look at, Hartline is still chasing Bess in Dolphin history for catches and TDs, he does have around 300 more yards, but is trailing Bess by 62 catches, 62, thats a big number considering Hartline has 53 starts 76 games as a Dolphin and Bess has 33 starts in 77 games, Bess put up most of his stats with Henne, Hartline put most of his with a better QB but is still chasing Bess, who also caught at around 70% with the Fins.


You're comparing two completely different receivers. Hartline works down field and down the side lines (more difficult, lower percentage plays to execute) while Bess worked 5-15 yard routes down the middle of the field out the slot, plays that you see being executed and targeted much more often.


They are definitely different WRs, Hartline makes his bread on intermediate routes, not really the downfield low percentage catches like Wallace, who rewards you with TDs when you hit him, Hartline runs a lot of 12 -18yd routes and has a very low yac, he catches it and gets tackled.

Bess was a short yardage specialist but was a "go to" guy on 3rd down, he had short area quickness to get open when he needed to, he was Henne's security blanket.

Harrtline is a tweener WR, he doesn't have the short area quickness to work the short game and doesn't have long speed to work the top of the D, and he isn't a big strong "catch it in double coverage" WR either, he has great hands, work ethic and attitude but is not a "fill a role" WR, he is very replaceable imo, as a starter.

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Wallace 89 catches, 1200 yards and 8 tds
Hartline 90 catches, 1000 yards and 3 tds
Matthews 65 catches, 650 and 4
Clay 72 catches, 900 and 7
Gibson 40 catches, 300 yards, 2
Sims 25 catches, 200 yards, 2

Then Landry will be around 15 catches, 200 yards, 0 tds mostly a special teams guy the first year


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Harrtline is a tweener WR, he doesn't have the short area quickness to work the short game and doesn't have long speed to work the top of the D, and he isn't a big strong "catch it in double coverage" WR either, he has great hands, work ethic and attitude but is not a "fill a role" WR, he is very replaceable imo, as a starter.


Yup. Classic overachiever. Tweener's a good description for him. Lacks the speed of a Wallace, or the size of a Jordy Nelson or the YAC of a guy like Landry.


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he doesn't have the short area quickness to work the short game

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I see now we're scraping up Hartline's greatest hits. Shouldn't take long.


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The truth is that those are 2 blown plays by the defense, thats usually the case when he has a big play, those 2 TDs represent a 5th of all his TDs, these plays are too rare for Hartline.

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He has one huge game every year. He's a better #3.


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Ya, and it was a good thing we let that Welker guy go.


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Ya, and it was a good thing we let that Welker guy go.


He too is still searching for that Super Bowl Ring

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Why are we talking about Welker now?


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Why are we talking about Welker now?


Was thinking the same thing.

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because many said the same things about welker, and brandon marshall. "he only has 3 tds" or something similar


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because many said the same things about welker, and brandon marshall. "he only has 3 tds" or something similar


oh, the experts.


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