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On Ryan Tannehill:

Surprisingly, they gave him a 3.0 overall rating. And no, the analysis was not done by the same guy as last week, so unless PFF as an organization secretly loves Ryan Tannehill, I don't think it is a case of bias.

Here's why his grade was high considering the performance of the offense.

Sacked 4 times, pressured 8 times.

When pressured, Tannehill was 7 of 8 for 44 yards and 1 TD.

When not pressured, he was 24 of 41 for 197 yards and an INT.

This is a complete flip from the previous game.

Dolphins receivers had 4 drops.

Brian Hartline -2.3
Charles Clay -1.2
Lamar Miller -2.1
Rishard Matthews -1.3

All had horrible days catching the ball.

Wallace had a 0.9

Running the ball, Damien Williams had a 2.3 and caused two missed tackles.

Lamar Miller had a -0.6 and made no one miss.

On defense, we only pressured the QB 7 times. Our run defense graded out very high (13.2) but our pass rush was a -0.3.

We did have 5 missed tackles as a team.

Pass coverage collectively was a 0.2 but Jimmy Wilson (-1.1) and Louis Delmas (-0.7) were particularly bad.

Special teams were horrendous, with a -6.6 overall. Brandon Fields (-2.3) and Jarvis Landry (-2.1) were particularly bad.

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That backs up what you thought about the special teams costing the game.

I wonder the cause or if theres a blame for Watkins being open on every play. Good scheme maybe?

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JImmy Wilson looked like he was giveing Watkins a high 5.


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Steve Zissou wrote:
I wonder the cause or if theres a blame for Watkins being open on every play. Good scheme maybe?


Soft zones... can't stand them.

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Rich wrote:
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I wonder the cause or if theres a blame for Watkins being open on every play. Good scheme maybe?


Soft zones... can't stand them.


I hate those soft zones. Also, we were giving the receivers a lot of cushion. Grimes has the speed to close in, but Davis sure didn't. If you don't give Watkins a pop off the line of scrimmage and a give him a nice cushion then he's going to burn you.

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What is up with our guys going to the ground with no contact so dang much? Will Davis is out there tripping over the field paint. Lamar Miller tries to stop drop and roll his way into the endzone because he is scared to get hit.

Hopefully the new agreement will be finalized and Reshad Jones will take his spot back. I don't really have too much against Jimmy, but he is better at being the Nickel guy. PLUS......wait for it........


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PLUS......wait for it........


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What has he done to get you excited about him coming back?


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Makchell wrote:
PLUS......wait for it........


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What has he done to get you excited about him coming back?


Well... he hasn't made a single mistake on the field so far this season.

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Uh.....why wouldn't you want him back?


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Uh.....why wouldn't you want him back?

Who said I didn't want him back? I asked you what makes you so excited for him coming back.


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Uh.....why wouldn't you want him back?


I think we all want him back, but I think he's wondering why you seem so excited to get him back, since he's done nothing to distinguish himself.

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I guess instead of being questioned I expected people to be excited with me. Oh well.


To answer your question then, Mak, nothing. But the potential is something to be optimistic about.


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I guess instead of being questioned I expected people to be excited with me. Oh well.

Sorry about that, I thought you knew something exciting about him coming back. I love his "potential" and "physical tools" so hopefully he can come back and be the player that he was drafted to be.


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The good and bad with DJ imo;

The good- fluid athlete that moves well in any direction, fast, pursues very well, can be a real benefit in coverage, when he gets a chance at a hit he brings the wood.

The bad- doesn't play with good leverage, questionable strength, but that may have as much to do with leverage than actual strength, has trouble disengaging from blocks.

The good outweighs the bad on paper, but the flaws are exposed, and a problem while he continues to play on the line, he is playing at a position that I don't think fits him.

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2. Bills intentionally picked on Will Davis with Sammy Watkins. Just about all of Watkins plays were with Davis in coverage. He played BAD

Now sure what Coyle could do. Bills used quick pass game to neutralize Phins pass rush. Best D for that is a zone. BUT, Watkins ate zone


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Best defense for quick passing game is to press the receivers at the line and make them re route. Slow down the play.

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Let's just hope he has been watching our games and working out while away!! Lmao

I think he could potentially have a huge impact...against Buffalo they were stopping Wake and Vernon, woulda been nice to get a different set of hands in there.


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Tannehill's rating is now a 0.5 for week 2, which is an average rating. I wonder why the ratings were adjusted.

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Rich wrote:
Tannehill's rating is now a 0.5 for week 2, which is an average rating. I wonder why the ratings were adjusted.


Someone on another site said they re-worded the blurb about his grade too.

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Tannehill's rating is now a 0.5 for week 2, which is an average rating. I wonder why the ratings were adjusted.


Someone on another site said they re-worded the blurb about his grade too.


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Ryan Tannehill, QB: +1.0

Breakdown: Tannehill had some off-target passes during the game, but his performance was generally positive. He completed seven of eight passes when under pressure, including his lone touchdown on a fade route to Mike Wallace. His receivers let him down at times with five dropped passes, including a perfectly thrown deep ball to Brian Hartline inside the 10-yard line with less than two minutes to play that could have helped stage a comeback. However, the incomplete passes seemed to always come at the wrong time as the Dolphins struggled to sustain drives for much of the game.

Signature Stats: Tannehill had an overall Accuracy Percentage of 78.3%, and was accurate on 100% of his passes when under pressure.


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The "but his performance was generally positive" was re-worded.

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Ryan Tannehill's third down passer rating.....54.1. He's 27th in the NFL.

Ryan Tannehill's fourth-quarter passer rating?...49.1. He's ranked 29th in the NFL


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Ryan Tannehill's third down passer rating.....54.1. He's 27th in the NFL.

Ryan Tannehill's fourth-quarter passer rating?...49.1. He's ranked 29th in the NFL


Bottom 5 in the league...ouch. He MUST step up his game.


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Ryan Tannehill's third down passer rating.....54.1. He's 27th in the NFL.

Ryan Tannehill's fourth-quarter passer rating?...49.1. He's ranked 29th in the NFL


Bottom 5 in the league...ouch. He MUST step up his game.


Yep, but that QB rating stat is sort of misleading.

Some of those bad drops that could have been touchdowns happened in the 4th quarter. A couple of bad drops on third down too.

Omar said it himself, the drops have come at the most inopportune times.

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Rich wrote:
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Ryan Tannehill's third down passer rating.....54.1. He's 27th in the NFL.

Ryan Tannehill's fourth-quarter passer rating?...49.1. He's ranked 29th in the NFL


Bottom 5 in the league...ouch. He MUST step up his game.


Yep, but that QB rating stat is sort of misleading.

Some of those bad drops that could have been touchdowns happened in the 4th quarter. A couple of bad drops on third down too.

Omar said it himself, the drops have come at the most inopportune times.


Imo Rich, what's misleading is the avg grade PFF gives him from last week, and the glowing rating from the Pats game, he just hasn't been good, below avg vs Pats, bad vs Bills.

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Ryan Tannehill's third down passer rating.....54.1. He's 27th in the NFL.

Ryan Tannehill's fourth-quarter passer rating?...49.1. He's ranked 29th in the NFL


Bottom 5 in the league...ouch. He MUST step up his game.


Yep, but that QB rating stat is sort of misleading.

Some of those bad drops that could have been touchdowns happened in the 4th quarter. A couple of bad drops on third down too.

Omar said it himself, the drops have come at the most inopportune times.


Imo Rich, what's misleading is the avg grade PFF gives him from last week, and the glowing rating from the Pats game, he just hasn't been good, below avg vs Pats, bad vs Bills.


They have gone into an in depth explanation of their grading of Tannehill on their site. I'm going to post it up soon.

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I'm interested is that Rich, but to be truthful, we've only played 2 quarters of decent football. The 1st haf vs NE was horrible all around. It's a team game and the whole team sucks right now.


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I remember us driving the ball downfield on a few drives against NE but we turned the ball over. So far this year we've do our most damage in the 3rd quarter. Unfortunately, so did Buffalo last week.


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Yep, but that QB rating stat is sort of misleading.

Some of those bad drops that could have been touchdowns happened in the 4th quarter. A couple of bad drops on third down too.

Omar said it himself, the drops have come at the most inopportune times.


That's always the reasoning though, ever since he's been our starting QB.

Chicken or the egg? If you have a QB who's accurate/consistent with his ball location, I firmly believe that will permeate through the offense, especially with the receiver play.

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Yep, but that QB rating stat is sort of misleading.

Some of those bad drops that could have been touchdowns happened in the 4th quarter. A couple of bad drops on third down too.

Omar said it himself, the drops have come at the most inopportune times.


That's always the reasoning though, ever since he's been our starting QB.

Chicken or the egg? If you have a QB who's accurate/consistent with his ball location, I firmly believe that will permeate through the offense, especially with the receiver play.


No way to prove that.

What we do know is that there have been plenty of drops already this season by guys getting hit in stride. Easy catches that would have led to big plays.

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Rock Sexton wrote:
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Yep, but that QB rating stat is sort of misleading.

Some of those bad drops that could have been touchdowns happened in the 4th quarter. A couple of bad drops on third down too.

Omar said it himself, the drops have come at the most inopportune times.


That's always the reasoning though, ever since he's been our starting QB.

Chicken or the egg? If you have a QB who's accurate/consistent with his ball location, I firmly believe that will permeate through the offense, especially with the receiver play.



Dropped passes change games. Keeping drives alive changes games. For more reasons than one...obviously we get more opportunities, but it also keeps their D on the field longer, and ours resting more. I can't say we would have scored, but you can't say we wouldn't have, either. It kills any type of rhythm going on.

For instance...first drive of 2nd half 3rd & whatever and Lamar Miller drops an easy first down. Field goal. 9-3. We were driving the ball, chunking yards on them. Momentum killer. It's not Tannehills fault Miller dropped the pass. It looks bad on Tannehills numbers, and it looks bad for our offense.



I didn't see too many Bills dropping passes. They stayed in rhythem


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Dropped passes change games. Keeping drives alive changes games. For more reasons than one...obviously we get more opportunities, but it also keeps their D on the field longer, and ours resting more. I can't say we would have scored, but you can't say we wouldn't have, either. It kills any type of rhythm going on.

For instance...first drive of 2nd half 3rd & whatever and Lamar Miller drops an easy first down. Field goal. 9-3. We were driving the ball, chunking yards on them. Momentum killer. It's not Tannehills fault Miller dropped the pass. It looks bad on Tannehills numbers, and it looks bad for our offense.

I didn't see too many Bills dropping passes. They stayed in rhythem


Again, my point is Tanny has a lot more control over the rhythm of the offense as he is the guy with the ball in his hands on practically every offensive play. If he's being erratic in game, it permeates through the rest of the offense (i.e. guys checking out mentally or not giving the effort). It's just like when we brought up all the missed deep ball opportunities last year, that kind of thing sucks the life out of a team.

EJ Manuel was in rhythm with his team. He wasn't making throws hard on his guys.

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He may have most control over rhythm but if guys are dropping good passes it doesn't matter who has the rhythm. Most the passes being dropped aren't overly hard on the receivers, they just drop the ball. You can see the disappointment in his eyes when someone drops what could have been a nice play...lets just hope he doesnt carry it through the rest of the drive....


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He may have most control over rhythm but if guys are dropping good passes it doesn't matter who has the rhythm. Most the passes being dropped aren't overly hard on the receivers, they just drop the ball. You can see the disappointment in his eyes when someone drops what could have been a nice play...lets just hope he doesnt carry it through the rest of the drive....

That is one major point. Drops. No one pays attention to the amount of the drops. I can count 6 or 7 drops off the top of my head that would have changed many view points.

Well, not those who believe everything should be perfect.


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Everyone know about the drops.


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Everyone know about the drops.

They know about them, but not paying attention to them. Its just a dropped pass by player A, player B etc...


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Dropped passes change games. Keeping drives alive changes games. For more reasons than one...obviously we get more opportunities, but it also keeps their D on the field longer, and ours resting more. I can't say we would have scored, but you can't say we wouldn't have, either. It kills any type of rhythm going on.

For instance...first drive of 2nd half 3rd & whatever and Lamar Miller drops an easy first down. Field goal. 9-3. We were driving the ball, chunking yards on them. Momentum killer. It's not Tannehills fault Miller dropped the pass. It looks bad on Tannehills numbers, and it looks bad for our offense.

I didn't see too many Bills dropping passes. They stayed in rhythem


Again, my point is Tanny has a lot more control over the rhythm of the offense as he is the guy with the ball in his hands on practically every offensive play. If he's being erratic in game, it permeates through the rest of the offense (i.e. guys checking out mentally or not giving the effort). It's just like when we brought up all the missed deep ball opportunities last year, that kind of thing sucks the life out of a team.

EJ Manuel was in rhythm with his team. He wasn't making throws hard on his guys.

What were you watching? That guy throws a horrible football. He is what makes the 2-0 Bills pretenders. He throws everything low, down by their feet. Watkins just adjusts well to the ball because he,s a great talent.


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Again, my point is Tanny has a lot more control over the rhythm of the offense as he is the guy with the ball in his hands on practically every offensive play. If he's being erratic in game, it permeates through the rest of the offense (i.e. guys checking out mentally or not giving the effort). It's just like when we brought up all the missed deep ball opportunities last year, that kind of thing sucks the life out of a team.

EJ Manuel was in rhythm with his team. He wasn't making throws hard on his guys.

Manual had ZERO pressure on him. Talent as the position where they catch the ball ( ZERO dropped passes in two games ) A running game to put him in good position, but those are just excuses, not reasons.


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