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Since there's no Oliver Luck in next years draft what would pretend GM's do? Especially (and hopefully) in light of the next year's regime change. I for one would stick with THill. haters arise.


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I'd certainly trade him..... but not for Cutler. More like for a pick I can use to trade up to get Famous Jameis

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no, i prefer to have a QB who doesn't turn into a complete head case after getting hit a few times in a game.

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Without question if Cutler were here some would be talking about how awesome of a QB he is and how the OL was holding him back.

He has been sacked 36 times, 38 for Tanne?

He has 28 TD's . 22 for Tanne?

Their stats are pretty similar actually.

I would not trade for him though.


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Yes if you throw in 2 number 1s.


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I'd certainly trade him..... but not for Cutler. More like for a pick I can use to trade up to get Famous Jameis

D-1, is this you? lol TO answer the question, NO.


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I wouldn't trade Pat Devlin for Cutler


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I'd certainly trade him..... but not for Cutler. More like for a pick I can use to trade up to get Famous Jameis


Theres only gonna be one qb from this draft who's gonna be legit Mariotta. Thats someone i would trade up for.


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dolfan91 wrote:
TommyNoleFin wrote:
I'd certainly trade him..... but not for Cutler. More like for a pick I can use to trade up to get Famous Jameis


Theres only gonna be one qb from this draft who's gonna be legit Mariotta. Thats someone i would trade up for.



For the record, I am not trading Tanehill for Cutler or any other QB right now. He has improved and taken steps forward. Cutler is a hot mess right now.

In regards to my fellow Nole Fan comment, I am not trading the numerous picks needed to get Jameis. Teams will have to due their due diligence on Winston, but that said, I think he will be a solid Pro QB.

We all are entitled to our opinions and I will leave it at that.

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TommyNoleFin wrote:
Famous Jameis


I cringe every time you post that...

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TommyNoleFin wrote:
I'd certainly trade him..... but not for Cutler. More like for a pick I can use to trade up to get Famous Jameis

Yes, because Miami needs the next Ryan Leaf.


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I cringe every time you post that...
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Imo Jameis Winston can be a good qb in the NFL if he goes to the right team, I think he has talent.


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Imo Jameis Winston can be a good qb in the NFL if he goes to the right team, I think he has talent.


I think I have to agree with that; if some coach can teach him how to be a man.

But as for the topic posted . . . worthless. Trading a reasonable issue for a real problem

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dolfan91 wrote:
TommyNoleFin wrote:
I'd certainly trade him..... but not for Cutler. More like for a pick I can use to trade up to get Famous Jameis


Theres only gonna be one qb from this draft who's gonna be legit Mariotta. Thats someone i would trade up for.


An avatar bet says Winston will have a much better pro career than Mariota. Mariota's mechanics will not translate to NFL success. Mariota = Tebow II

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Imo Jameis Winston can be a good qb in the NFL if he goes to the right team, I think he has talent.

Its not his QB ability I'm concerned with. Its the I can do anything I want & get away with it because I can throw a football attitude that concerns me. I'm also not sure he will put in the time to be a good NFL QB. I see him as a player who has gotten by because he has always been better than everyone else.


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I think they will be both be busts. Winston turns the ball over now, imagine NFL defenses scheming agasint him.


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There are ZERO QB's available Draft or FA worth chasing for any role other than Back up.

Miami has a top 15 QB in Tannehill, there is no better option coming out in the next few weeks.. so get used to Tannehill. 3rd year, and middle of the pack, and climbing every season....

Impatience on this board is going overboard. Tannehill is not, and never will be the problem. The problem is coach, particularly on game management and Defense.

Mariotta is a project, Hoyer is a high character guy but limited. Cutler is a cry baby that has now burned his way out of 2 cities. Moore is a scrub. Jameis is a rapist. I dont see one QB coming out that is even worth a look. If Hoyer wants to come in at back-up salary... sure why not. But we do not need a new starter at all.


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so you are saying we are stuck with Tannehill.


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If whoever is deciding at the time that RT is not the guy he wants, then I would prefer someone that doesnt need to be "developed" for the next 2-4 years while we swirl in mediocrity...

If there is a regime change, i hope its a HC who is anxious to take RT to the next level and stop handcuffing him behind pretty comp % stats and blaming pass protection for not having a complete offense....

I do not see a clear upgrade between RT and Cutler, Cutler is another pretty stat QB, pair him with hie bff brandon and they both have a chance at the pro bowl... The team can fend for themselves..

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Yep!

Stuck with a top 15 QB.

Can't believe that is even an issue. Keep swooning over the loss of Marino, its only been 15 seasons.... if its not a top 10 QB, the crows will beg for a replacement.

The dude is only 25 years old, and has the potential to get better as he goes. But no, logic shows that we should replace him.... GENIUS


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You like his numbers

how about the last 3 games, games that MATTERED

65% completions 2 TD's 3 INT's

15 ranked means very litte. Based on that logic you would take Eli Manning and Drew Stanton over Tannehill.

I know , blame the OL, the receivers, the coaches, the cheerleaders, the camera guys....

How has he improved. on the pace he is on now he will throw 25 TD's 1 more then last year. He will likedly throw for less yards then last year even though his completion percentage is up.

I just dont see all these improvements everyone is glowing about.

Don't get me wrong I would not just dump him. I'm just sold on him being the franchise guy that can lead you anywhere. if you want to call a franchise guy that needs the best OL, the best WR's, the best OC, the best game plan to play well then well, you win.


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I just dont see all these improvements everyone is glowing about.

Don't get me wrong I would not just dump him. I'm just sold on him being the franchise guy that can lead you anywhere. if you want to call a franchise guy that needs the best OL, the best WR's, the best OC, the best game plan to play well then well, you win.



I do not see either, he is not so bad a team must move on, and he is not soo good we should shy away if an upgrade is available...


Thats the real problem tho, everyone wants to take shots at RT with nothing to say in regards to who is the better option... The names I see thrown around are Jay Cutler and Jamis ? One is a lateral move and the other will be more excuses of "developing"
Or bench him for Matt Moore? another lateral move.

I see no "upgrade" options....

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He has improved drastically in his 3rd year. That cannot be denied.


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15 ranked means very litte. Based on that logic you would take Eli Manning and Drew Stanton over Tannehill.


That you would put Stanton in the conversation with an Eli Manning or Tannehill shows how far off the reservation your viewpoint is.

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Imo Jameis Winston can be a good qb in the NFL if he goes to the right team, I think he has talent.

Its not his QB ability I'm concerned with. Its the I can do anything I want & get away with it because I can throw a football attitude that concerns me. I'm also not sure he will put in the time to be a good NFL QB. I see him as a player who has gotten by because he has always been better than everyone else.


Not even close to being the case. The kid is very smart and works his tail off. He was accepted into Stanford and they were one of his final teams before choosing FSU.

His maturity is a big question that HE will have to answer. His work ethic and ability to play the game are not a concern for me.

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Imo, Hickey should be actively perusing ways to acquire Tanne's replacement, Tanne has shown, since his days in college, that he performs poorly in crucial situations. It's more than him not being a clutch performer, it's the fact that he plays poorly in crucial situations.

Some of Tanne's stats went up, namely comp % and lower INTs, but that is more a product of the offense than Tanne imo. Because of those stats going up his rating is much higher, but still avg, so it's taken 3 years and a customized offense to get him to a hollow avg rating.

His rating on 1st and 2nd down is about 100, he completes about 70% and has 18 TDs to 7 INTs.

On 3rd down his rating is 74, with a 56% completion and 4 TDs to 3INT.

When leading or tied he as over a 100 rating, nearly 70% completion and a 13 to 2 TD/INT ratio.

When trailing, 78 rating, 64% completion and 9 to 9 TD/INT ratio.

In quarters 1-3 he has around a 100 rating, about 70% completion and a 19 to 8 TD/INT ratio.

In the 4th quater he has a 73 rating, 58% completion and a 3 to 3 TD/INT ratio.

This is a very bad trend, he must be affected by nerves, we need to be actively searching for means to replace him.

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affected by nerves?!?! LOL

The dude is getting plowed through by 300 lbs of beef on a regular occurrence!!
38 Sacks is still less than 58... but there's 2 games left and Im thinking it will polish off around 45.

RT gets hit too much, and he gets back up and keeps playing.

If you want to push the issue that his rating is better by 20 points on 1st & 2nd down but worse on third down.... please find me a quarterback that doesnt have the same issue.

If your passing on 3rd down, I would imagine 80% of the time, you are in a "& Long" situation which is an obvious passing down where defenses are preparing to stop the pass..... Not exactly the case for first and second down is it?

I would imagine EVERY QB has a better 1st and 2nd down rating than their third down passer rating. Interesting conclusion you are drawing there, but unless you can show me another QB that bucks that trend, your point is moot.


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Rich wrote:
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15 ranked means very litte. Based on that logic you would take Eli Manning and Drew Stanton over Tannehill.


That you would put Stanton in the conversation with an Eli Manning or Tannehill shows how far off the reservation your viewpoint is.


I am going by the ratings that you love so much.... Stanton IS rated higher then Tannehill.


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1 Blake Bortles, 50
2 Colin Kaepernick, 49
3 Alex Smith, 39
Matthew Stafford, 39 (playoff bound)
5 Ryan Tannehill, 38
Russell Wilson, 36 (playoff bound)
7 Jay Cutler, 36 (trading tanne for him)
Cam Newton, 36 (not counting the car accident)
9 Ben Roethlisberger, 32 (playoff bound)
Teddy Bridgewater, 32


QB listed by # of times sacked at this point in 2014.....

Detroit & Seattle are 10-4, ironically enough the QB's are sandwiching RT, who is not playing up to par due to being sacked too much.

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He has improved drastically in his 3rd year. That cannot be denied.


Where?

Just saying it is so doesnt make it real.

Where do you think he has improved drastically?


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I am going by the ratings that you love so much.... Stanton IS rated higher then Tannehill

Look at the sample size. I can go in and play one snap, complete it and I would be rated higher than Rodgers. Come oomw on now....


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affected by nerves?!?! LOL

The dude is getting plowed through by 300 lbs of beef on a regular occurrence!!
38 Sacks is still less than 58... but there's 2 games left and Im thinking it will polish off around 45.

RT gets hit too much, and he gets back up and keeps playing.

If you want to push the issue that his rating is better by 20 points on 1st & 2nd down but worse on third down.... please find me a quarterback that doesnt have the same issue.

If your passing on 3rd down, I would imagine 80% of the time, you are in a "& Long" situation which is an obvious passing down where defenses are preparing to stop the pass..... Not exactly the case for first and second down is it?

I would imagine EVERY QB has a better 1st and 2nd down rating than their third down passer rating. Interesting conclusion you are drawing there, but unless you can show me another QB that bucks that trend, your point is moot.


I would say winning QB's perform better during those times.


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affected by nerves?!?! LOL

The dude is getting plowed through by 300 lbs of beef on a regular occurrence!!
38 Sacks is still less than 58... but there's 2 games left and Im thinking it will polish off around 45.

RT gets hit too much, and he gets back up and keeps playing.

If you want to push the issue that his rating is better by 20 points on 1st & 2nd down but worse on third down.... please find me a quarterback that doesnt have the same issue.

If your passing on 3rd down, I would imagine 80% of the time, you are in a "& Long" situation which is an obvious passing down where defenses are preparing to stop the pass..... Not exactly the case for first and second down is it?

I would imagine EVERY QB has a better 1st and 2nd down rating than their third down passer rating. Interesting conclusion you are drawing there, but unless you can show me another QB that bucks that trend, your point is moot.


Well, you can't blame being hit, because he's being hit all game, so if was based on that his rating wouldn't plummet on 3rd down, in the 4th quater and when trailing, they'd be bad all game.

Yes, nearly all QBs ratings fall a bit in these situations, but Tanne's go in the tank, dropping over 20 points.

When I did my post I looked for other examples, and I didn't need to go to Manning and Brady to see a difference, how about no ones favorite QB Joe Flacco, on 1st and 2nd down he has about an 87 rating, on 3rd he has an 82, when leading or tied he has an 89 rating, when trailing it's 80, in the 1-3 quaters he has about an 85 rating, in the 4th he has an 87.

How about the other guy mentioned in this post, Jay Cutler, not saying I want him or would trade for or him because I wouldn't, but, 1st and 2nd down 88, 3rd 80, when leading or tied 88, when trailing 82, 1-3 quaters 87, 4th 84.

These are 2 marginal franchise QBs imo, Tanne crucial situation differential is much worse, looking at the top of the heap,

stats follow this order- 3rd down, when trailing, 4th quater
A Rodgers, 109, 99, 103.
T Brady, 93, 90, 92
P Manning 90, 90, 92.

R Wilson, 91, 94, 97.
A Luck, 89, 82, 85.

R Tannehill, 72, 79, 73.

He is performing poorly in crucial situations, that isn't even a debate, we've also seen it on the field the last few weeks, saw it on the field last year, and all these stats do is back up what your eyes are seeing, that is usually due to nerves getting to a person, whether it's playing pool, throwing darts, bowling or being a professional athlete, nerves play a factor, I think thats what Tanne's problem is, I see it in my pool league all the time, it changes how people perform, for better or worse.

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