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Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on May 18, 2010 12:17 PM ET

Stop us if you've heard this one before, Dolphins fans.

Ted Ginn opened some eyes at San Francisco's OTAs on Monday with his "gazelle-like" speed. And then he caused some head-shaking with a series of drops.

"You've got to shake it off," Ginn told Cam Inman of the San Jose Mercury News. "You've got to treat it like a [defensive back] when he gets scored on. You can't tank. They're going to happen and you just can't have that many."

Ginn should only be a No. 3 or No. 4 receiver in San Francisco, but the 49ers are hoping he can upgrade their punt return position. He dropped a punt too.

We feel for Ginn because he seems to have the right attitude and is a hard worker. But he has to know he won't get nearly as long a leash in San Francisco as he had in Miami, should these drops carry over into the regular season.


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Wow. Poor niner fans, at least they didn't spend a top 10 pick on the guy. If he is anywhere near average then they should be happy.

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WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT HIM BECAUSE OF HIS POTENTIAL AND SPEED.

Can't teach speed ya know.

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Personally I think Miami should've kept Ginn. It would've been nice to see him along side Marshall. Had they received more than a bag of footballs in return I think I might have felt otherwise.


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Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
he is a flier for sure. he is just too small. he gets bumped and it throws everything off. if he could bulk up and get the nfl to allow stick em again, then look out.


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Bulking up will not give you better hands. He drops way too many passes, he doesn't play like a true receiver. He is a return guy thats scared to get hit.

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WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT HIM BECAUSE OF HIS POTENTIAL AND SPEED.

Can't teach speed ya know.



apparently you can't teach good hands either (@ least on him ;-)


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he sucks.


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WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT HIM BECAUSE OF HIS POTENTIAL AND SPEED.

Can't teach speed ya know.


exactly


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Bulking up will not give you better hands. He drops way too many passes, he doesn't play like a true receiver. He is a return guy thats scared to get hit.


also a return guy who puts points on the board


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Iowafin wrote:
WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT HIM BECAUSE OF HIS POTENTIAL AND SPEED.

Can't teach speed ya know.


exactly

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Bulking up will not give you better hands. He drops way too many passes, he doesn't play like a true receiver. He is a return guy thats scared to get hit.


Can't deny he has bad hands, but don't you want your return man to be afraid to be hit?

I think he might have had a role as third reciever, maybe a suprise package or something. He wasn't a number one or two wide receiver, but I feel this FO just gave him away.


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but don't you want your return man to be afraid to be hit?

Why would you want any of your football players to be afraid of contact?

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but don't you want your return man to be afraid to be hit?

Why would you want any of your football players to be afraid of contact?


Ummm...You want your return man to look for creases and then run untouched to the endzone?
Sorry...I think a return man is half jet, half escape artist and Ginn certainly fulfilled that. Too bad our special teams were quite bad those first two years.

But I do concede one point. You could tell Ginn was thinking alot about the hit and not catching the ball when he was on the field.


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Iowafin wrote:
apatos13 wrote:
but don't you want your return man to be afraid to be hit?

Why would you want any of your football players to be afraid of contact?


Ummm...You want your return man to look for creases and then run untouched to the endzone?
Sorry...I think a return man is half jet, half escape artist and Ginn certainly fulfilled that. Too bad our special teams were quite bad those first two years.

But I do concede one point. You could tell Ginn was thinking alot about the hit and not catching the ball when he was on the field.


There's a difference between being afraid of contact, and going untouched.

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"He dropped a punt too."

No need for further argument. I win..

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYSxJgjjJFc

bahahahaha.... Sorry guy's I just couldn't resist


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYSxJgjjJFc

bahahahaha.... Sorry guy's I just couldn't resist



LMAO -- that's exactly my point. We tried for years to get this guy to learn how to hold on to the dang football and couldn't do it. Granted, the same can be said with R.Williams and his fumbling ways, BUT Ricky @least shows up to the games and steps when to make big plays, AND he's not afraid of getting hit.

oh, and to add on your parade: http://www.tedginnsucks.com/?cat=94


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hahahahahahaha that video is great!!!


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joeschmoe wrote:
Bulking up will not give you better hands. He drops way too many passes, he doesn't play like a true receiver. He is a return guy thats scared to get hit.


also a return guy who puts points on the board


How many times has he scored on a return besides that jests game?

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joeschmoe wrote:
Bulking up will not give you better hands. He drops way too many passes, he doesn't play like a true receiver. He is a return guy thats scared to get hit.


also a return guy who puts points on the board


How many times has he scored on a return besides that jests game?


just one other time; but numerous others were called back on penalties


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just one other time; but numerous others were called back on penalties


So unless Miami cheats, Ted Ginn sucks.

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just one other time; but numerous others were called back on penalties


So unless Miami cheats, Ted Ginn sucks.


but, but .. he's fast!

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Personally I think Miami should've kept Ginn. It would've been nice to see him along side Marshall. Had they received more than a bag of footballs in return I think I might have felt otherwise.


We got Jones with that bag of footballs.... :hithead:


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NFLJunkie wrote:
Personally I think Miami should've kept Ginn. It would've been nice to see him along side Marshall. Had they received more than a bag of footballs in return I think I might have felt otherwise.


We got Jones with that bag of footballs.... :hithead:


so what is your point? you act as if Jones is a proven player, we have no idea what we have in this kid yet


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so what is your point? you act as if Jones is a proven player, we have no idea what we have in this kid yet


Sure, but we all knew exactly what we had in Ginn. Which was a detriment to the team.

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His inconsistency irritated many, and his credit was given extremely sparingly when he did blow it up (and there are those who would say he never 'blew it up').
I think the kid was simply drafted too high to meet those expectations that come with top-ten, and if he had been snagged liked he was projected around mid-2 to early-3 we'd be sitting here singing his praises, because he has produced. I posted his numbers <in another thread> in his three years here against some of the WRs he is contemporary with. He compares favorably to most of them. The dichotomy is that some of those guys are generally viewed as decent-to-good players, and yet Ginn who out-produced most of them has been flagged as a complete bust.
This kid has been getting hammered for a couple of years now, and yet he never was anything but classy, despite an almost casual attitude the public had towards the whole 'Ginn family' thing.

When were they ever a problem or even an issue?

When did we see his name grace the police blotter?

The guy holds the Dolphin All-Time Rookie record for combined yardage in a season (2086) ahead of Wes Welker (1777). He has the fourth All-Time season team-record of all players, rookie and vet alike.

For a guy who didn't like contact, a 7.8 per-carry rush average is getting it done. 2 TDs in 16 attempts, one of them a 40-yd rush.

I do not recall ever hearing anything from Coaches that he was lazy at practice, or that he didn't have a good attitude. By most accounts I've read he worked hard.

He is simply a gifted return man/utility WR that an incompetent FO in the Camaronion year pulled the trigger on way too early for.

He is also the only player Miami has drafted in the last several years to show any signs of big-play flash other than Brown (and of course he was top-ten too so he likewise had to be).

He is a guy who will go out and catch you a few passes, and cause absolute apoplexy in your opponents' Special Teams coaches.

He has been pressured to be the 100-yd a game guy, and to his credit he produced a few even though he is not 'that' guy.
It didn't happen, but I applaud the effort that kid made here, and wish him well. I applaud it because he has not been given nearly the credit he has been due.

This guy was even flayed in the press and on sites just like this before a game against the Jets that he was being benched, not starting.

How do you think most NFL players would respond?
Would they tank it? Some would.
Would they pout? Some would.
How many would focus (put it all behind you and play ball) and go out there and achieve?

This kid did that, and is pi$$ed on as a waste of a draft pick.

He wasn't.

The wrong pick was used on him, but that's not his fault. Heck, who wouldn't want to be drafted as high as possible? It's the difference between millions of dollars. I wish they would have drafted ME number one overall, and when I then in the ensuing year knocked Ryan Leaf out of the all-time Draft bust crown, I assure you I'd have no problem 'living with my shame'...From my recliner in my Media room...in my manse in Hawaii...drinking Kamikazes that my gloriously-mammaried housekeeper brings me.

This kid has been plucked by a staff that didn't know what it was doing, subjected to probably the second-worst attitude-affecting stimulus possible, a 1-win year of constant bungling losses.
Instead of folding or deteriorating in effort and demeanor he strove harder.

I wish him well. I think he'll end up having a decent NFL career of 6-7 years, not spectacular as a WR but awesome in the return game. I wish that he would do it here, but I understand the reasons he's not going to.


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Regardless of where he was drafted, he's not a receiver. Michael Lewis came in as some UPS driver and returned some kicks for the Saints, Jermaine Lewis came out of nowhere and returned some kicks. Listen, anybody can come into the league and return some kicks for a score....Ginn was just one of those guys. He did it inconsistently, he fumbled the football and he made more bad plays than good ones.
I don't care where he was drafted, he's not a guy I would want on my football team because of the potential damage he could do to my football team as opposed to the opponent's team.

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Regardless of where he was drafted, he's not a receiver. Michael Lewis came in as some UPS driver and returned some kicks for the Saints, Jermaine Lewis came out of nowhere and returned some kicks. Listen, anybody can come into the league and return some kicks for a score....Ginn was just one of those guys. He did it inconsistently, he fumbled the football and he made more bad plays than good ones.
I don't care where he was drafted, he's not a guy I would want on my football team because of the potential damage he could do to my football team as opposed to the opponent's team.


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Iowafin wrote:
Regardless of where he was drafted, he's not a receiver. Michael Lewis came in as some UPS driver and returned some kicks for the Saints, Jermaine Lewis came out of nowhere and returned some kicks. Listen, anybody can come into the league and return some kicks for a score....Ginn was just one of those guys. He did it inconsistently, he fumbled the football and he made more bad plays than good ones.
I don't care where he was drafted, he's not a guy I would want on my football team because of the potential damage he could do to my football team as opposed to the opponent's team.


:yawn:


Yawn all you want. The guy won't do anything in San Francisco either.

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Bulking up will not give you better hands. He drops way too many passes, he doesn't play like a true receiver. He is a return guy thats scared to get hit.


also a return guy who puts points on the board


What points are you referring to exactly? Yes Ted Ginn Jr. did score a few touchdowns in his few years on the Dolphins, but they were few and far between usually. Brandon Marshall caught more touchdowns last year than Ted Ginn Jr. has caught or returned in his entire career. If you ask me, Ted Ginn Jr. was broomed to make room for guys like Brian Hartline and Davone Bess to get more looks. They both have better hands, and have been far more productive as receivers. I think Hartline will slowly grow into the number two wideout and Bess will continue to eat teams up in the slot. Personally I think the trio of Marshall, Hartline, and Bess will be far more productive than if we had Marshall, Ginn Jr., and Bess out there.


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What points are you referring to exactly?


return points


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What points are you referring to exactly?


return points


Ginn had two kickoffs returned for TDs last year, both in one game. He has had 1 punt returned for a TD, in 2007. Three years, 183 oppotunities, 3 TDs, 7 fumbles .. yeah, he really scored a lot for us.

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His inconsistency irritated many, and his credit was given extremely sparingly when he did blow it up (and there are those who would say he never 'blew it up').
I think the kid was simply drafted too high to meet those expectations that come with top-ten, and if he had been snagged liked he was projected around mid-2 to early-3 we'd be sitting here singing his praises, because he has produced. I posted his numbers <in another thread> in his three years here against some of the WRs he is contemporary with. He compares favorably to most of them. The dichotomy is that some of those guys are generally viewed as decent-to-good players, and yet Ginn who out-produced most of them has been flagged as a complete bust.
This kid has been getting hammered for a couple of years now, and yet he never was anything but classy, despite an almost casual attitude the public had towards the whole 'Ginn family' thing.

When were they ever a problem or even an issue?

When did we see his name grace the police blotter?

The guy holds the Dolphin All-Time Rookie record for combined yardage in a season (2086) ahead of Wes Welker (1777). He has the fourth All-Time season team-record of all players, rookie and vet alike.

For a guy who didn't like contact, a 7.8 per-carry rush average is getting it done. 2 TDs in 16 attempts, one of them a 40-yd rush.

I do not recall ever hearing anything from Coaches that he was lazy at practice, or that he didn't have a good attitude. By most accounts I've read he worked hard.

He is simply a gifted return man/utility WR that an incompetent FO in the Camaronion year pulled the trigger on way too early for.

He is also the only player Miami has drafted in the last several years to show any signs of big-play flash other than Brown (and of course he was top-ten too so he likewise had to be).

He is a guy who will go out and catch you a few passes, and cause absolute apoplexy in your opponents' Special Teams coaches.

He has been pressured to be the 100-yd a game guy, and to his credit he produced a few even though he is not 'that' guy.
It didn't happen, but I applaud the effort that kid made here, and wish him well. I applaud it because he has not been given nearly the credit he has been due.

This guy was even flayed in the press and on sites just like this before a game against the Jets that he was being benched, not starting.

How do you think most NFL players would respond?
Would they tank it? Some would.
Would they pout? Some would.
How many would focus (put it all behind you and play ball) and go out there and achieve?

This kid did that, and is pi$$ed on as a waste of a draft pick.

He wasn't.

The wrong pick was used on him, but that's not his fault. Heck, who wouldn't want to be drafted as high as possible? It's the difference between millions of dollars. I wish they would have drafted ME number one overall, and when I then in the ensuing year knocked Ryan Leaf out of the all-time Draft bust crown, I assure you I'd have no problem 'living with my shame'...From my recliner in my Media room...in my manse in Hawaii...drinking Kamikazes that my gloriously-mammaried housekeeper brings me.

This kid has been plucked by a staff that didn't know what it was doing, subjected to probably the second-worst attitude-affecting stimulus possible, a 1-win year of constant bungling losses.
Instead of folding or deteriorating in effort and demeanor he strove harder.

I wish him well. I think he'll end up having a decent NFL career of 6-7 years, not spectacular as a WR but awesome in the return game. I wish that he would do it here, but I understand the reasons he's not going to.


Thank you. I agree with you on pretty much everything you said. Ginn was a stand-up guy the whole time, worked hard and it's not his fault that the expectations were what they were for him. Sure, he frustrated me with his drops as well, but as for the lack of return tds, I need to remind everyone that until last year, our special teams squad was pretty shabby. How much blocking was he getting?

Ginn won't ever be a dominant player in the league. But he can contribute, and probably will do better in SF than he did with us because the pressure is less. I wish him well.


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Ginn had two kickoffs returned for TDs last year, both in one game. He has had 1 punt returned for a TD, in 2007. Three years, 183 oppotunities, 3 TDs, 7 fumbles .. yeah, he really scored a lot for us.


thank you statman, maybe we should look a these stats a little bit more. 183 opportunities? 16 of those were fair catches so not really opportunites. That leaves us with 167 returns; 94 of those went over 20 yards, 8 of those went over 40 yards, 3 TD's, and only 1 fumble lost. This kid gave us more points in the return game than anybody that I can remember that wore a dolphin uniform.


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Ginn had two kickoffs returned for TDs last year, both in one game. He has had 1 punt returned for a TD, in 2007. Three years, 183 oppotunities, 3 TDs, 7 fumbles .. yeah, he really scored a lot for us.


thank you statman, maybe we should look a these stats a little bit more. 183 opportunities? 16 of those were fair catches so not really opportunites. That leaves us with 167 returns; 94 of those went over 20 yards, 8 of those went over 40 yards, 3 TD's, and only 1 fumble lost. This kid gave us more points in the return game than anybody that I can remember that wore a dolphin uniform.


So it's ok to fumble as long as we recover it? And you were saying he put points on the board, I proved you wrong, now you are falling back on yardage? Point is, he couldn't live up to the hype of a #9 pick and he made more lousy plays than spectacular ones.

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So it's ok to fumble as long as we recover it?


if we retain possession I can live with it

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And you were saying he put points on the board, I proved you wrong, now you are falling back on yardage?


I did not know I fell back; I could have swore I put in the 3 TD's, but ok, you proved me wrong.

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Point is, he couldn't live up to the hype of a #9 pick and he made more lousy plays than spectacular ones.


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Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
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This kid gave us more points in the return game than anybody that I can remember that wore a dolphin uniform.
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Wes Welker scored on a kickoff return. He ran a punt return 71 yards to the two, setting up a score. He had a 35 yard punt return to the San Francisco 13 which set up a field goal. He returned one against Kansas City for 47 yards to the KC 10. It set up a score. He returned another punt for 47 yards to the PIT 15 yard line. Yeah, that drive also culminated in a score. Countless other times he returned the ball deep into the opponents territory. How many times did Ginn do that?

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Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
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MTFan wrote:
joeschmoe wrote:
This kid gave us more points in the return game than anybody that I can remember that wore a dolphin uniform.


Wes Welker scored on a kickoff return. He ran a punt return 71 yards to the two, setting up a score. He had a 35 yard punt return to the San Francisco 13 which set up a field goal. He returned one against Kansas City for 47 yards to the KC 10. It set up a score. He returned another punt for 47 yards to the PIT 15 yard line. Yeah, that drive also culminated in a score. Countless other times he returned the ball deep into the opponents territory. How many times did Ginn do that?


Looks like I got pinned with MT's qoute lol

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Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
Iowafin wrote:
MTFan wrote:
joeschmoe wrote:
This kid gave us more points in the return game than anybody that I can remember that wore a dolphin uniform.


Wes Welker scored on a kickoff return. He ran a punt return 71 yards to the two, setting up a score. He had a 35 yard punt return to the San Francisco 13 which set up a field goal. He returned one against Kansas City for 47 yards to the KC 10. It set up a score. He returned another punt for 47 yards to the PIT 15 yard line. Yeah, that drive also culminated in a score. Countless other times he returned the ball deep into the opponents territory. How many times did Ginn do that?


I liked Wes, except for the 12 fumbles in 3 years just in the return game


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