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Any word on this guy? I vaguely recall Barry Jackson saying the brass doesn't expect much if anything from him, but with new coaches he may be offered a fresh start.


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As a reminder of what we last knew of him.

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Dion Jordan hasn’t done much to make the Dolphins want to give him extra chances. But they’re apparently giving him one anyway.

According to Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald, the Dolphins “will give thought” to keeping Jordan in 2016, but apparently haven’t given thought to trying to recoup signing bonus money from him.

Jordan’s year-long suspension for violating the league’s drug policy because of a diluted test is grounds to forfeit $3.335 million in already paid signing bonus. But the Dolphins “aren’t actively trying to collect signing bonus money from him” according to the report.

Perhaps it’s a sign they think he’s worth something in the future, even though the guy who traded up to draft him third overall in 2013 is gone.

There was some talk about trading him to the Eagles prior to his suspension, but if it’s possible, his value is even lower now, meaning they might be willing to see if he can get himself right and become a productive player on the field again.

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By rule, Jordan's interaction with the team is limited to weekly contact with Kaleb Thornhill, the Dolphins’ director of player engagement.


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 Post subject: Re: Dion Jordan
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I recall him shutting down Calvin Johnson


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 Post subject: Re: Dion Jordan
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What is the cap savings if we drop him prior to june?

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On a rookie deal?


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See what he does in the preseason....How about standing behind a player and supporting him for a change...Sometimes its part of developing guys.

Chandler Jones getting cut after what he did?


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What is the cap savings if we drop him prior to june?


About $3 million. Just a bit north of that.

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What is the cap savings if we drop him prior to june?


About $3 million. Just a bit north of that.


Thanks.. 3 mil is not a lot in the NFL, but we can probably use it for a guy who will make the 53 man roster.

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$3 million is enough to get you a serviceable guard. $3 million is also more money you can allocate to rookie contracts.

Also, we're talking cap space. Annual pay and cap space are two different things.

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If the team keeps him the cap hit is closer to $6 million I believe.


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 Post subject: Re: Dion Jordan
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The guy covers a ton of ground and made a few good plays both rushing the passer and covering defenders. Just wish he could develop into a nice OLB and ditch the idea of playing DE.


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The guy covers a ton of ground and made a few good plays both rushing the passer and covering defenders. Just wish he could develop into a nice OLB and ditch the idea of playing DE.

His freak size is worth the look in training camp...A monster on the fg unit


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 Post subject: Re: Dion Jordan
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The cap savings is worth much more at this point than any future 'potential' he has. He might develop into a great player, but if I'm a betting man, I'm for saving the money now. Like Rich said, $3 mill will fill some holes on this roster.


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Think about it. We keep those high draft picks instead of flushing them down the toilet after Jordan and we get 2 o linemen, we are in the playoffs.


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All gonna depend on what happens with Vernon. If we can resign Olivier, cut him loose. If not, might need him to come in and compete.


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$3 million is enough to get you a serviceable guard. $3 million is also more money you can allocate to rookie contracts.

Also, we're talking cap space. Annual pay and cap space are two different things.


Giants got JPP on a one year deal for 3 mil. Granted he just blew his hand off, but still a lower risk than the dolphins keeping Jordan ..


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 Post subject: Re: Dion Jordan
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I would like to know where Dion is in regards to getting his life in order. If he has not done that yet, I don't want to hold on to him. He will just get suspended again.

Miami needs to know he has his life in order before they make a decision on him. He needs that more importantly for his own well being.

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 Post subject: Re: Dion Jordan
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I would like to know where Dion is in regards to getting his life in order. If he has not done that yet, I don't want to hold on to him. He will just get suspended again.

Miami needs to know he has his life in order before they make a decision on him. He needs that more importantly for his own well being.


This right here and I'll add my take...

I wasn't high on this pick, but this guy is a freak of an athlete. He was a high prospect out of high school as a tight end. I say give him a shot at offense as well. If Gase is claiming to build the system around the players talent then why not DJ at TE?


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 Post subject: Re: Dion Jordan
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With all the holes this team has if there is a way Dion Jordan can actually become a football player again, then it is worth a shot. Vernon could be on the way out if the grass is GREENER elsewhere and it is hard to imagine Wake coming back 100% from injury. We will need pass rushers...


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I would franchise Vernon before i let him go this year...It would put a burden on other moves but we just can't fill this hole with all the other leaks...


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 Post subject: Re: Dion Jordan
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With all the holes this team has if there is a way Dion Jordan can actually become a football player again, then it is worth a shot. Vernon could be on the way out if the grass is GREENER elsewhere and it is hard to imagine Wake coming back 100% from injury. We will need pass rushers...


The problem with your post is that it begins with the premise that Dion Jordan showed something to begin with before all the suspensions. But the fact is, he had trouble getting on the field even when he was not suspended.

Considering Dion Jordan any sort of a factor is a mistake. We should pretend he doesn't exist and consider it icing on the cake if he actually shows up and finally contributes.

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If and only If this guy has cleaned himself up... maybe another counseling move here... J/k, but bury him deep in the depth charts and use as a special teams beast, 3rd down specialist and try his butt as the third TE.... He covered Gronk why can't he be Gronk?


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 Post subject: Re: Dion Jordan
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In all fairness he was hurt and behind a couple pretty good players on the depth chart...Much like Parker was this year until a couple injuries opened up a chance for him to get playing time....
Also you have to consider the absolute clown show the coaching staff was..

There was plenty of room to fail...I did see some flashes of what his athletic body can do..Blocks sacks..
And youre right not enough and thats on him..As we know now he had some thing going on and he made his own bed..

Like SC said if, and we don't know what the team knows. But if he has his act together now and is showing a little maturity. i give him a chance and think its about time the team started protecting and building up guys like this..
Icognito Davis being cut comes to mind of guys they turned their back on.


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Jordan must have done something to be worthy of 1st round consideration. Miami's crappy coaching staff might also have been part of the problem. If he gets his life together and takes a pay cut, then why not take a shot?


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Jordan must have done something to be worthy of 1st round consideration.


Jemarcus Russell must have too...

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 Post subject: Re: Dion Jordan
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Jemarcus Russell must have too...

And Clowney, Tim Couch, Carr, Harrignton, Leaf and countless other busts. DJ needs to be let go and chalk it as another wasted pick by the Fins. Eddie Moore, Pat White......on and on.


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 Post subject: Re: Dion Jordan
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While our new head coach is an offensive guy, he is supposed to be a guy that gets the most out of his players, a guy that can find a way to make his system highlight the players natural talents.

Here is the perfect test subject. If we keep Jordan, a guy who specialized in third down situations (pass rush and covering runningbacks and tightends), I will be paying close attention to how he's used. I've always said this kid is built to play OLB on third down.

Vernon was developed properly. We started him out by putting him in situations that fit his skills at the time. As he developed they found more playing time for him. Why we didn't do the same for Jordan is beyond me.


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I don't have a problem letting him go but it should be after training camp and he can be evaluated by the new coaches. Too much invested to just dump at this point.

Our DC has a helped with psycho Pac man Jones.


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He's worth a shot in camp


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He's worth a shot in camp


I agree, but I'd have to "Dez Bryant" him with a buddy.

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Funny how nobody saw this drug problem before he got drafted. Not one single scout. Then afterwards we hear about how his mother had drug addiction and it runs in the family.


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Funny how nobody saw this drug problem before he got drafted. Not one single scout. Then afterwards we hear about how his mother had drug addiction and it runs in the family.


What kind of drug problem?

It was PED's one time i think and not much info about what actually he was taking.


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Funny how nobody saw this drug problem before he got drafted. Not one single scout. Then afterwards we hear about how his mother had drug addiction and it runs in the family.


What kind of drug problem?

It was PED's one time i think and not much info about what actually he was taking.


Its all been a weird quiet situation, but I have read that its also drugs, not just PEDs.


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What is the date we need to cut him by to save the 3 mil?


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Funny how nobody saw this drug problem before he got drafted. Not one single scout. Then afterwards we hear about how his mother had drug addiction and it runs in the family.


What kind of drug problem?

It was PED's one time i think and not much info about what actually he was taking.


Its all been a weird quiet situation, but I have read that its also drugs, not just PEDs.


More than likey they lied about the adderall at first, saying he was taking something else that caused a positive test for amphetamines. It lessens the suspension times.

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Nothing new on the Dion Jordan rumormille. We may not hear anything until mid April. According to this article, the staff was not all onboard with trading up to get him, but it was done anyways. Tannenbaum says that they will be all on the same page when the Dolphins head into the draft.

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The Dolphins have been tight-lipped about their plans for Jordan — his suspension will seemingly keep him out of the beginning of the team’s spring conditioning program.

Jordan is in Stage Three of the NFL’s substance-abuse program, which means he is subject to as many as 10 drug tests a month.

Plus it’s no sure bet that he will be activated, even if Jordan has been clean the last year.

Jordan’s reinstatement is solely at the discretion of commissioner Roger Goodell, according to the league’s policy.

The NFL declined comment when asked specifically about Jordan’s status for 2016.


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Funny how nobody saw this drug problem before he got drafted. Not one single scout. Then afterwards we hear about how his mother had drug addiction and it runs in the family.



Something was there for sure though. Simon Clancy has spoken to some degree about it on Twitter. Apparently it was not a pretty story.

I've said this before and I will say it again. I hope this kid get's his life in order. If so, I would welcome him back. Otherwise, Miami needs to move on and Dion NEEDS to get his life in order.

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