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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:18 am 
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This is a serious inquiry, not a shot at Grier, so lower your fighting instincts.
My question is, and amybe I missed some of the signings or something, but so far we've adeed a couple LB'ers, a couple of WR's (added one and resigned one I think), a Punter..... a TE whose on his 7th team in as many years in the league.... but have we signed any legitimate help at the o-line position? It seems we are neglecting the one glaring spot that everybody in the league knows we need help at, at minimum quality depth at... if I didn't miss something, then what top tier OL'men are remaining that we could go and get?

If we're not going to go get any, how can they be satisfied with what happeneed last year? And I know we were riddled with injuries. Are we counting on everybody staying healthy this year?

Just curious where everybody stands on that.


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Per the OL question, they re-signed some guys they brought in last year but have avoided big ticket names.

I read a report they were interested in George Fant to compete with Austin Jackson at RT. They also signed Dan Feeney from the Jets to compete for an IOL spot.

It would not shock me to see them deal either their 2nd or 3rd Round pick for an OL guy (if they don't draft one).

Like it or not, I think they really believe Austin Jackson will turn a corner this year and if he doesn't they can get by with another Brandon Shell type (not that I agree, just stating where I think their collective heads are at).


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If the line self destructs and Tua eats it again like last season I do believe Grier’s future gets looked at a little more closely.

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AFCMiamiEast wrote:
If the line self destructs and Tua eats it again like last season I do believe Grier’s future gets looked at a little more closely.


I believe Grier won't have a future with this team if that happens.

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AFCMiamiEast wrote:
If the line self destructs and Tua eats it again like last season I do believe Grier’s future gets looked at a little more closely.


Yup. Grier pushed all of his chips to the center of the table. If Miami doesn't keep Tua healthy and at least win a playoff game or two by January 2025 then I'd say Grier's job is in jeopardy.


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AFCMiamiEast wrote:
If the line self destructs and Tua eats it again like last season I do believe Grier’s future gets looked at a little more closely.

All of Tua's injuries came from him holding the ball to long and not giving up on the play. That is his learning curve to handle. Not that the OL could not use some help.


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Dphins4me wrote:
AFCMiamiEast wrote:
If the line self destructs and Tua eats it again like last season I do believe Grier’s future gets looked at a little more closely.

All of Tua's injuries came from him holding the ball to long and not giving up on the play. That is his learning curve to handle. Not that the OL could not use some help.


I think that is what Grier and McDaniel are hoping from Tua. He will be more familiar with the offense and his receivers. It definitely did not help with the injuries along the OL last year.

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We still have A draft pick left no? Lol


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Ski_Money wrote:
We still have A draft pick left no? Lol


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Ski_Money wrote:
We still have A draft pick left no? Lol


The state of the OL is not encouraging, but we do have an NFL draft coming up. It's risky because, aside from Hunt, the Grier and his scouts have not a good job with analyzing their potential in the NFL. To be fair, every OL draft pick they made was heralded by the draft "experts" but most were deemed to projects (which have not panned out into starting material).

I wouldn't be surprised if Grier traded for an offensive lineman during the draft. He is full of surprises.


Chris Kouffman (twitter) wrote:
Dolphins have 11 offensive linemen on roster and only 4 of them should be considered broadly 53-man rosterable. Truth hurts.


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Big Dave wrote:
Ski_Money wrote:
We still have A draft pick left no? Lol


The state of the OL is not encouraging, but we do have an NFL draft coming up. It's risky because, aside from Hunt, the Grier and his scouts have not a good job with analyzing their potential in the NFL. To be fair, every OL draft pick they made was heralded by the draft "experts" but most were deemed to projects (which have not panned out into starting material).

I wouldn't be surprised if Grier traded for an offensive lineman during the draft. He is full of surprises.


Chris Kouffman (twitter) wrote:
Dolphins have 11 offensive linemen on roster and only 4 of them should be considered broadly 53-man rosterable. Truth hurts.


https://twitter.com/ckparrot/status/1638378517908934658


That's a hurtful opinion by Kouffman. Ouch.
Meanwhile, I read a headline where Tunsil is getting paid as the highest OL in the league now. Let him go, and if we track those draft picks, it's hard to argue we did "bad" in that scenario, so no real complaints there, unless my memory fails me. Wasn't that the Tua/Waddle draft pick year? Unless we used it on Igbyasasdlfjasdofiasfalsdkfja;s;asldfjasdf, however you spell it. That guy who tries to play CB.

Even if you subscribe to the idea Dphins4me is always pointing about Tua being the reason he's injured, it's his own demise apparently, EVEN IF it's that... it's hard to sit back and not see the o-line is lacking. Albeit due ot injuries, they are injury prone, they haven't panned out, we can't evaluate o-line talent properly, whatever the case is - it's still there. They stink and it appears we're not going to do anyhting about it. We don't have a first rounder, or second do we? Zero on day 1 of the draft, 2 on day two and 2 on day three if I remember correctly. Not sure what type or kind of OL you target with that ammo, but it can't be much.

Hey, maybe they'll all stay healthy and Grier and company know more than we all do. Time will tell I guess.


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Meanwhile, I read a headline where Tunsil is getting paid as the highest OL in the league now. Let him go, and if we track those draft picks, it's hard to argue we did "bad" in that scenario, so no real complaints there, unless my memory fails me. Wasn't that the Tua/Waddle draft pick year? Unless we used it on Igbyasasdlfjasdofiasfalsdkfja;s;asldfjasdf, however you spell it. That guy who tries to play CB.


Here are players acquired as a downstream result of the Tunsil trade.

Johnson Bademosi
Julién Davenport
Noah Igbinoghene
Solomon Kindley
Jaylen Waddle
Jevon Holland
Tyreek Hill
Channing Tindall
Erik Ezukanma
Bradley Chubb

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Rich wrote:
The Don wrote:
Meanwhile, I read a headline where Tunsil is getting paid as the highest OL in the league now. Let him go, and if we track those draft picks, it's hard to argue we did "bad" in that scenario, so no real complaints there, unless my memory fails me. Wasn't that the Tua/Waddle draft pick year? Unless we used it on Igbyasasdlfjasdofiasfalsdkfja;s;asldfjasdf, however you spell it. That guy who tries to play CB.


Here are players acquired as a downstream result of the Tunsil trade.

Johnson Bademosi
Julién Davenport
Noah Igbinoghene
Solomon Kindley
Jaylen Waddle
Jevon Holland
Tyreek Hill
Channing Tindall
Erik Ezukanma
Bradley Chubb


Certainly some cringy names in that group, but Waddle / Hill alone covers the deal being okay, at least in my mind. So like I said, hard to argue we dind’t make the right decision with it.

I just have a longing for a solid offensive line. Just one we know where if we need 3 yards, we can punch somebody in the mouth and get it type of line. Haven’t had that in a while. But the Waddle/Hill combo on the outside is fun to watch too.


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Certainly some cringy names in that group, but Waddle / Hill alone covers the deal being okay, at least in my mind. So like I said, hard to argue we dind’t make the right decision with it.

I just have a longing for a solid offensive line. Just one we know where if we need 3 yards, we can punch somebody in the mouth and get it type of line. Haven’t had that in a while. But the Waddle/Hill combo on the outside is fun to watch too.


It was highway robbery.

Hill/Waddle/Holland/Chubb far outweight the impact Tunsil would have.

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The Don wrote:
Big Dave wrote:
Ski_Money wrote:
We still have A draft pick left no? Lol


The state of the OL is not encouraging, but we do have an NFL draft coming up. It's risky because, aside from Hunt, the Grier and his scouts have not a good job with analyzing their potential in the NFL. To be fair, every OL draft pick they made was heralded by the draft "experts" but most were deemed to projects (which have not panned out into starting material).

I wouldn't be surprised if Grier traded for an offensive lineman during the draft. He is full of surprises.


Chris Kouffman (twitter) wrote:
Dolphins have 11 offensive linemen on roster and only 4 of them should be considered broadly 53-man rosterable. Truth hurts.


I did not know we were without a second round pick. What happened to it.
https://twitter.com/ckparrot/status/1638378517908934658


That's a hurtful opinion by Kouffman. Ouch.
Meanwhile, I read a headline where Tunsil is getting paid as the highest OL in the league now. Let him go, and if we track those draft picks, it's hard to argue we did "bad" in that scenario, so no real complaints there, unless my memory fails me. Wasn't that the Tua/Waddle draft pick year? Unless we used it on Igbyasasdlfjasdofiasfalsdkfja;s;asldfjasdf, however you spell it. That guy who tries to play CB.

Even if you subscribe to the idea Dphins4me is always pointing about Tua being the reason he's injured, it's his own demise apparently, EVEN IF it's that... it's hard to sit back and not see the o-line is lacking. Albeit due ot injuries, they are injury prone, they haven't panned out, we can't evaluate o-line talent properly, whatever the case is - it's still there. They stink and it appears we're not going to do anyhting about it. We don't have a first rounder, or second do we? Zero on day 1 of the draft, 2 on day two and 2 on day three if I remember correctly. Not sure what type or kind of OL you target with that ammo, but it can't be much.

Hey, maybe they'll all stay healthy and Grier and company know more than we all do. Time will tell I guess.


I did not know the phins were without a second round pick, what happened to it?


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Phins' '23 picks:

Round 2, Pick 51
Round 3, Pick 84 (from NE)
Round 6, Pick 178 (from CHI)
Round 7, Pick 240


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shularino wrote:
Phins' '23 picks:

Round 2, Pick 51
Round 3, Pick 84 (from NE)
Round 6, Pick 178 (from CHI)
Round 7, Pick 240


My apologies for that. I guess I forgot about that one. Did we have two 2nd rounders? We traded one in the Hill trade, right? I guess my brain was still stuck that we gave up our 2nd rounder this year too.

I'll have to Goolge that and see what we gave up for Hill, could've sworn we gave up a 2nd, so we must've had two 2nds. My bad fellers.

But just 4 picks, ugh. Let's go fishing on draft day.


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My apologies for that. I guess I forgot about that one. Did we have two 2nd rounders? We traded one in the Hill trade, right? I guess my brain was still stuck that we gave up our 2nd rounder this year too.

I'll have to Goolge that and see what we gave up for Hill, could've sworn we gave up a 2nd, so we must've had two 2nds. My bad fellers.

But just 4 picks, ugh. Let's go fishing on draft day.


Miami is pretty much done with the Hill trade. The major cost was in 2022

2022- 1st ( No. 29 ) - Traded to NE In Trade Up For 1st ( No. 21 ) - 3rd ( No. 94 ) and 4th ( No. 121 )
1st - Trent McDuffie ( No. 21 )
2nd - Tyquan Thornton ( No. 50 )
4th - Jack Jones ( No. 121 )

2023 - 4th
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