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 Preseason Power Rankings No. 27: Miami Dolphins
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In some cases, winning six of your last nine games would be cause for optimism about the year to come. That’s not really the case in Miami where so much has changed from that team.

Better days may yet be ahead, but the shift in schemes and philosophies and the drafting of Tannehill make this look like a year to use as a bridge to those better days. The defense should be okay and they always played hard last year, but an okay defense and effort isn’t going to cover for the flaws on the offensive side of the ball too often.

The problem could come if they do it often enough to have the team in contention for a playoff spot at 6-6 entering Week 14, which isn’t unthinkable when you look at their schedule. Figuring out if Tannehill’s the leader for your offense would be a fine development for the Dolphins, but it will be hard to do if he isn’t the quarterback at that point.

It’s a nice problem to have, of course, but if the Dolphins are gonna need Tannehill to work out for them if they want to wait another 30 years before picking a quarterback in the first round.


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Post Re: Preseason Power Rankings No. 27: Miami Dolphins
I understand we're going through a coaching change and roster overhaul, but dang that seems low. I think we're middle of the pack, especially when you consider our schedule this year.


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Post Re: Preseason Power Rankings No. 27: Miami Dolphins
These are just guesses and don't mean jack! Look at last year's rankings going into the season.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -rankings/

Just look at their top 5 not a single Super Bowl participant

1. Packers
2. Saints
3. Chargers
4. Falcons
5. Steelers


15. Giants


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27 is a compliment....

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Post Re: Preseason Power Rankings No. 27: Miami Dolphins
let's see, we'll finish higher than STL, Ariz, Minny, Cleve, Jax and Indy for sure.

maybe finish better than Tampa, Carolina, KC, Oak, Buff and NYJ.

so that puts us at no worse than the 26th overall team and as high as the 19th overall


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let's see, we'll finish higher than STL, Ariz, Minny, Cleve, Jax and Indy for sure.

maybe finish better than Tampa, Carolina, KC, Oak, Buff and NYJ.

so that puts us at no worse than the 26th overall team and as high as the 19th overall


Kansas City will be very good. They lost a lot of talent last season....Eric Berry, Jamaal Charles, Tony Moeaki...all will be back.

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let's see, we'll finish higher than STL, Ariz, Minny, Cleve, Jax and Indy for sure.

maybe finish better than Tampa, Carolina, KC, Oak, Buff and NYJ.

so that puts us at no worse than the 26th overall team and as high as the 19th overall


Kansas City will be very good. They lost a lot of talent last season....Eric Berry, Jamaal Charles, Tony Moeaki...all will be back.




KC has talent but you still have to have a quarterback to win in this league


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KC has talent but you still have to have a quarterback to win in this league


Don't we know it ... maybe one day we will have one.

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Post Re: Preseason Power Rankings No. 27: Miami Dolphins
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let's see, we'll finish higher than STL, Ariz, Minny, Cleve, Jax and Indy for sure.

maybe finish better than Tampa, Carolina, KC, Oak, Buff and NYJ.

so that puts us at no worse than the 26th overall team and as high as the 19th overall


Kansas City will be very good. They lost a lot of talent last season....Eric Berry, Jamaal Charles, Tony Moeaki...all will be back.




KC has talent but you still have to have a quarterback to win in this league


Right, so why is Miami better?

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These are just guesses and don't mean jack! Look at last year's rankings going into the season.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -rankings/

Just look at their top 5 not a single Super Bowl participant

1. Packers
2. Saints
3. Chargers
4. Falcons
5. Steelers


15. Giants


How does it not mean jack? The Packers were the best team all season. The Saints made it to the championship game. Seems fair to me. The Giants, powerwise, were not the best team...they just got hot at the right time.

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Post Re: Preseason Power Rankings No. 27: Miami Dolphins
KC has talent but you still have to have a quarterback to win in this league[/quote]

Right, so why is Miami better?[/quote]


if you comprehend what you read i said we 'might' be better than KC.
Both teams are similar. Very good defenses.
but seriously dude, we crushed them last year 31-3


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Post Re: Preseason Power Rankings No. 27: Miami Dolphins
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if you comprehend what you read i said we 'might' be better than KC.
Both teams are similar. Very good defenses.
but seriously dude, we crushed them last year 31-3


Yeah dude, seriously, if you could comprehend that Kansas City was missing a lot of guys.

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Post Re: Preseason Power Rankings No. 27: Miami Dolphins
We are better than KC.

Buff. could be a serious contender this year. Easy schedule, good offense with a running game, and they stock piled some serious defenders this offseason.

And they beat the hell out of the Patriots when they were healthy last year.. They got bit by injury as the year went on


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And they beat the hell out of the Patriots when they were healthy last year.. They got bit by injury as the year went on


They won by 3 points and were trailing at the start of the 4th....

And other than Fred Jackson, what injuries plagued the Bills? Keep drinking the Koolaid, but this is still a team coached by Chan Gailey.

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Post Re: Preseason Power Rankings No. 27: Miami Dolphins
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We are better than KC.


Based on what?

QB
Cassel vs Moore

Advantage- KC.
Cassel had a great season with New England, and one with KC when they went to the playoffs throwing 27 tds to 7 picks. Moore's never played more than the 13 he played last year, and that was his best season in 5 years, never having been to the playoffs

RB
Charles, Hills vs Bush, Thomas

Advantage- KC
Charles rushed for two-straight 1,000 yard seasons, including being one carry away from breaking Barry Sanders' average per carry record. Hillis had one great season. Thomas has had no great seasons (though only a rookie), and Bush finally had a performance worthy of a top 2 pick, but prior to last year he hadn't rushed for more than 580.

WR/TE
Moeaki, Boss, Bowe, McCluster, Breaston, Baldwin vs. Fasano, Egnew, Bess, Johnson, Hartline, Gates

Advantage- Push
Johnson is aging and Bowe is inconsistent. McCluster's better in the return game than both Bess and Gates, but Bess is the better receiver.

OL
Winston, Alberts, Asamoah, Lilja vs. Long, Martin, Incognito, Pouncey

Advantage- Miami
Albert has gotten better, but Long and Pouncey are better than Lilja and any of the other guys.

DB
Berry, Flowers, Arenas, Daniels, Routt, Elam vs. Clemons, Culver, Jones, Smith, Davis, Wilson

Advantage-KC
Berry is a monster. Only one season under his belt, but man did he perform. Flowers and Routt are all-pros and Arenas is electrifying. Elam and Daniels provide veteran stability. Miami is full of underperformers and question marks.

LB
Siler, Johnson vs Dansby, Burnett, Wake

Advantage- Miami
Johnson is an all-pro, but he's not better than Dansby. KC Currently lacks that outside edge-rusher, but at least Miami has the one Cameron Wake, who is one of the best in the business.

DL (3-4)
Poe, Jackson, Dorsey vs Soliai, Starks, Odrick
Advantage- Push
Kansas boasts three top 11 picks on their front line, but Poe being a rookie may not be as good as Soliai...though, I expect Poe to be better at rushing the passer than Soliai. Dorsey has been disappointing but we don't know what we've got with Odrick. Starks and Jackson are two stellar players.

Special Teams
Succup, Colquitt, Arenas, McCluster vs Carpenter, Fields, Bush, Bess

Advantage- Miami
I think both of Miami's kickers are better, though KC's are nothing to laugh at....and I'd take Bush over McCluster or Arenas, but I'd take both of those guys over Bess in the return game.

Coaching
Crennel vs Philbin
Advantage-?
Crennel has 3 rings, but he cheated and then flopped in Cleveland. Nobody knows what Philbin can do as HC, though his Packers did get beat by Crennel's Chiefs last season.

Summary:
These teams are nearly identical, but if you want to break the tie, it begins and ends with quarterback play. Can Matt Cassel be better than any of the three Miami have? To say Miami is better than KC is just homerism.

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Post Re: Preseason Power Rankings No. 27: Miami Dolphins
Cassel stinks. He's started for KC for 3 years and they have ranked in the bottom 10 in passing all 3 years. he averages 199 yards per game. 39 below the league average.

They would have taken Tannehill if he fell a few more spots.


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Post Re: Preseason Power Rankings No. 27: Miami Dolphins
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And they beat the hell out of the Patriots when they were healthy last year.. They got bit by injury as the year went on


They won by 3 points and were trailing at the start of the 4th....

And other than Fred Jackson, what injuries plagued the Bills? Keep drinking the Koolaid, but this is still a team coached by Chan Gailey.



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Looking at the 12 playoff teams this past season only four of the teams had a double digit total of players on injured reserve [Hou. (12), Pitt. (12), N.E. (11), NYG (10)]. In fact the average number of players on injured reserve for the 12 playoff teams in 2011 was 6.1. Meanwhile six of the eight last place teams in each division had double digit I-R totals. Buffalo led the way with 17. Moreover the average number of players on injured reserve for the eight last place teams was almost double that of the playoff teams (11.9).


Brady had 4 int's(1 pick 6) and they overcame an 18 point deficit.

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That wound up an advantage to the Bills, who ran down the clock by kneeling. The Patriots ran out of timeouts -- and composure as an unsportmanlike conduct penalty against Vince Wilfork gave Buffalo another set of downs at the 1.


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The Buffalo Bills' losing streak is over, and yet their string of injuries mounts.

With 16 players already on injured reserve, the Bills will limp toward the finish line after losing three more players to injuries, including starting offensive linemen Demetrius Bell and Kraig Urbik. The Bills close their season at New England on Sunday.


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Post Re: Preseason Power Rankings No. 27: Miami Dolphins
Iowafin wrote:
catman_56 wrote:
These are just guesses and don't mean jack! Look at last year's rankings going into the season.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -rankings/

Just look at their top 5 not a single Super Bowl participant

1. Packers
2. Saints
3. Chargers
4. Falcons
5. Steelers


15. Giants


How does it not mean jack? The Packers were the best team all season. The Saints made it to the championship game. Seems fair to me. The Giants, powerwise, were not the best team...they just got hot at the right time.


Championships are won on the field not at the voting both in the NFL. It does say something about how little they really know when they rank the eventual Super Bowl champion the 9th best team in the NFC! Look at also some of the other whiffs ahead of the Giants, the Bucs, the Chargers, the Bears, the Jets, etc. The point is that this is not some in depth analysis it is just basically a stereotype of where they think these teams will end up.


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Post Re: Preseason Power Rankings No. 27: Miami Dolphins
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it is just basically a stereotype of where they think these teams will end up.


No it's not. It's a ranking of how talented a team is. How "powerful" they are. If you notice, the power rankings will often have teams with a worse record ranked ahead of another team. Why? Because it's not about where they are in the standings, but how "good" they are based on talent and momentum.

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Post Re: Preseason Power Rankings No. 27: Miami Dolphins
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Because it's not about where they are in the standings, but how "good" they are based on talent and momentum.


He hit the nail on the head... Look at it as gambling, you have to pick 8 playoff teams right now who are they?

As far as how accurate these rankings are...
Last years

1 GB
2 NE
3 Philly (whoops)
4 Pitt
5 Atlanta
6 SD (8-8)
7 Balt
8 NYJ (LMAO!!!)
9 Indy (maybe with Peyton)
10 Bears

Based on previous years record, and off season acquisitions...

Others to note are
Giants - 11, Lions 19, 49ers 23.. All made the post season..

These rankings are a fun way to see which teams made good moves in the off season, but for the most part as Iowa said its based on the overall strength of the team...

We have no real QB, questionable WR's, a questionable o-line, rookie HC & DC, only one true pass rusher, a big ? in the secondary...

So we have a good scat back in Bush, a great LB core in Dansby/Burnett, Wake & Long.

While I dont think we will suck as bad as some "experts" think, or that we will finish 27th in the league. I am not expecting to be this years 49ers either..

Give us 9 wins, and fight for at least 4 of the 7 losses... That will make me feel better

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Post Re: Preseason Power Rankings No. 27: Miami Dolphins
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These are just guesses and don't mean jack! Look at last year's rankings going into the season.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -rankings/

Just look at their top 5 not a single Super Bowl participant

1. Packers
2. Saints
3. Chargers
4. Falcons
5. Steelers


15. Giants


They can't factor in injuries and those can make a MAJOR difference for team. Take a look at the Steelers for an example. They were decimated with injuries but were still a playoff team and nearly advanced. They deserved a #5 ranking.


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We are better than KC.

Summary:
These teams are nearly identical, but if you want to break the tie, it begins and ends with quarterback play. Can Matt Cassel be better than any of the three Miami have? To say Miami is better than KC is just homerism.


I agree Iowa, KC has the advantage at quarterback right now. I think defensively we're the better team, but like you said, at the end of the day it boils down to quarterback play. At the present Kansas City has a much better sense of what they have at quarterback than we do. We don't really have an identity at quarterback right now. We've drafted the guy of the future, but on the other hand nobody is expecting him to start right away and now we've got this odd sort of quarterback battle to see who holds down the fort during this bridge season. Kansas City on the other hand has a clear cut starter, not a great one, but nonetheless a clear cut starter who is heads above the rest of the guys on their team. It would be nice if a guy could emerge in our competition, but something tells me the competition will remain close down to the very end. I can't wait for next season when Tannehill is ready to take over so we at least can get a sense for what the future holds.


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degs wrote:
catman_56 wrote:
These are just guesses and don't mean jack! Look at last year's rankings going into the season.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -rankings/

Just look at their top 5 not a single Super Bowl participant

1. Packers
2. Saints
3. Chargers
4. Falcons
5. Steelers


15. Giants


They can't factor in injuries and those can make a MAJOR difference for team. Take a look at the Steelers for an example. They were decimated with injuries but were still a playoff team and nearly advanced. They deserved a #5 ranking.


True but only to an extent. Injuries are part of football and team depth should definitely be a factor.


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catman_56 wrote:
degs wrote:
catman_56 wrote:
These are just guesses and don't mean jack! Look at last year's rankings going into the season.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -rankings/

Just look at their top 5 not a single Super Bowl participant

1. Packers
2. Saints
3. Chargers
4. Falcons
5. Steelers


15. Giants


They can't factor in injuries and those can make a MAJOR difference for team. Take a look at the Steelers for an example. They were decimated with injuries but were still a playoff team and nearly advanced. They deserved a #5 ranking.


True but only to an extent. Injuries are part of football and team depth should definitely be a factor.


You're right. Green Bay shouldn't be in the top 5 in power rankings right now because if Rodgers got hurt they can't win with Graham Harrell.

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True but only to an extent. Injuries are part of football and team depth should definitely be a factor.


You're right. Green Bay shouldn't be in the top 5 in power rankings right now because if Rodgers got hurt they can't win with Graham Harrell.


Iowa, I'm hoping you are being sarcastic here.

catman is correct to an extent. The important words are "team depth", not depth at any specific position.

You can look at depth, but you shouldn't count on a specific player getting injured, unless that player has a history of injury. Without looking it up, I don't think Rodgers has ever had an injury.


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