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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:20 am 
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https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/statu ... 0874265600

Granted, it's a lot more selective than other QB's, but all we heard about after the Pats game is how many guys he misses down field...apparently he doesn't miss much.


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Phins Rock wrote:
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/281190970874265600

Granted, it's a lot more selective than other QB's, but all we heard about after the Pats game is how many guys he misses down field...apparently he doesn't miss much.


He doesn't throw that often beyond 30 yards. When he has, he hasn't been accurate. But yes, between 21-30 the guy has been very reliable.

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Rock Sexton wrote:
Phins Rock wrote:
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/281190970874265600

Granted, it's a lot more selective than other QB's, but all we heard about after the Pats game is how many guys he misses down field...apparently he doesn't miss much.


He doesn't throw that often beyond 30 yards. When he has, he hasn't been accurate. But yes, between 21-30 the guy has been very reliable.


And you have stats to back that up? This is 20+, not 20-30.

He has 1 less 25+ yard play than everybody's boy Russell Wilson (19 vs 20).


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Rock Sexton wrote:
Phins Rock wrote:
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/281190970874265600

Granted, it's a lot more selective than other QB's, but all we heard about after the Pats game is how many guys he misses down field...apparently he doesn't miss much.


He doesn't throw that often beyond 30 yards. When he has, he hasn't been accurate. But yes, between 21-30 the guy has been very reliable.


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Well I see the "deep" ball lumped into the 20+ category often with this stat. Perhaps this is just me, but I don't think of a 20 yard pass as a deep ball. The guys in my Thanksgiving Day tackle football game can flick a wrist and toss the ball 20 yards.

I gave him cred though .... that 21-30 area is among the best.

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Rock Sexton wrote:
Perhaps this is just me, but I don't think of a 20 yard pass as a deep ball.


Hmm, a deja vous discussion?

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Big Dave wrote:
Hmm, a deja vous discussion?


Ya, we've had it before. He was a leader in this same stat earlier in the year.

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Rock Sexton wrote:
Perhaps this is just me, but I don't think of a 20 yard pass as a deep ball.


"Deep" outs and "deep" comebacks are routes that are run 15-20 yards downfield.

Profootballfocus considers anything over 20 yards in the air a deep pass:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... p-passing/

Here's an article that references the NFL considering anything over 20 yards as a long pass.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/43584 ... -football/

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This site considers anything 15 yards and over as deep.

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2010/09 ... asses.html

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Rich wrote:
"Deep" outs and "deep" comebacks are routes that are run 15-20 yards downfield.

Profootballfocus considers anything over 20 yards in the air a deep pass:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... p-passing/

Here's an article that references the NFL considering anything over 20 yards as a long pass.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/43584 ... -football/


Ya, I get that.

Regardless when you think of QB's in this game that have been known for their deep ball marksmanship, do you think of 20 yards? Just asking you personally.

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Rock Sexton wrote:
Regardless when you think of QB's in this game that have been known for their deep ball marksmanship, do you think of 20 yards? Just asking you personally.


Yes because the primary thing I look for when evaluating the ability of a quarterback to make throws downfield is how well they throw deep outs and deep comebacks.

To me, those are the two most important routes a QB needs to make to qualify as a viable NFL QB.

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Yes because the primary thing I look for when evaluating the ability of a quarterback to make throws downfield is how well they throw deep outs and deep comebacks.

To me, those are the two most important routes a QB needs to make to qualify as a viable NFL QB.


Whenever I tihnk of the phrase "deep ball" it always conjures the bombs. On another site they posted Tanny's and Rodgers .... wonder where the twitter guy got his stat from.

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In passes over 21 yards Tannehill is 12 for 40 for 460 yards and 3 TD's and 1 Int

By comparison Aaron Rodgers is 18 for 46 for 578 yards with 10 Td and 2 Ints.

12/40 (30%) is notmore accurate than 18/46 (39%)

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The average pass is about 7 yards....So ya i would say 20 plus is deep


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Rock Sexton wrote:
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Yes because the primary thing I look for when evaluating the ability of a quarterback to make throws downfield is how well they throw deep outs and deep comebacks.

To me, those are the two most important routes a QB needs to make to qualify as a viable NFL QB.


Whenever I tihnk of the phrase "deep ball" it always conjures the bombs. On another site they posted Tanny's and Rodgers .... wonder where the twitter guy got his stat from.

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In passes over 21 yards Tannehill is 12 for 40 for 460 yards and 3 TD's and 1 Int

By comparison Aaron Rodgers is 18 for 46 for 578 yards with 10 Td and 2 Ints.

12/40 (30%) is notmore accurate than 18/46 (39%)


Where did you get that stat? The 48% number I posted comes straight from ESPN.


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If you watched the kid's pro day you could just see the amazing touch he had when going deep. Very accurate, especially outside the hashmarks. I'm not surprised that he's been accurate on his deep passes. What has surprised me is how often he's been able to get the ball downfield considering we lack a legitimate deep threat on the roster.


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The stat is incorrect Phins Rock

Go here. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/ ... -tannehill

SAME exact website. And you can see his pass percentage of passes of 20+

It's not leading the league. And is not 48 percent. Someone made a boo boo.

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The stat is incorrect Phins Rock

Go here. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/ ... -tannehill

SAME exact website. And you can see his pass percentage of passes of 20+

It's not leading the league. And is not 48 percent. Someone made a boo boo.


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Is 30% considered very accurate for the 21 yard and over category?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:38 pm 
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Well I found this but it is not exclusively from this year. I guess it gives an idea about long ball accuracy.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1338 ... in-the-nfl


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:48 pm 
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7:36 am November 17, 2011, by Mark Bradley

Peter Keating of ESPN Insider has compiled lists of the NFL’s best and worst deep passers,

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/ ... assers-nfl

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And now you’re asking: Does it matter if your quarterback can’t throw long with any success? Of Keating’s top 10 deep passers, eight preside over teams with winning records. Of the 10 lowest-ranked deep passers, only one plays for a winning team — Matt Ryan. This would seem to indicate that the Falcons are doing it the hard way.


http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/ ... deep-pass/


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:02 pm 
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Quote:
Nathan Jahnke | 2012/06/29

Three Years of Deep Passing

Who Is Throwing Deep

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The Touchdown King

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Accuracy of Throws

Finally, we take a look at the quarterbacks with the highest Accuracy Percentage on deep throws. While Accuracy Percentage weeds out some throws (like spikes and balls batted at the line), in this case, the only factor that makes it different than completion percentage is drops.

For the third time in a row, Brees tops the list, assuring his spot as the top deep passer in the past three seasons. Two of the three men competing for the Miami Dolphins’ starting job are in the Top 10, offering hope for Chad Ochocinco finding himself back on the highlight reels. While Andy Dalton has the second-highest completion percentage for quarterbacks on deep passes, the fact that he has yet to have a ball dropped on his long throws hurts his accuracy percentage relative to the rest of the quarterbacks.

On the other end of the spectrum, if you need one set of statistics to point to in a “JaMarcus Russell is a bust” conversation, this is it: of the 34 deep passes Russell threw in 2009, just one was completed … and seven were intercepted. Fellow 2007 draft class bust Brady Quinn wasn’t much better, with just five completions on his 34 deep passes in 2009. Those numbers contributed to keeping either from attempting a pass since that season.




Rank Player Current Team Deep Comp Deep Att Deep Drops Deep Comp% Deep Acc%
1 Drew Brees NO 101 206 10 49.0% 53.9%
2 Michael Vick PHI 51 120 9 42.5% 50.0%
3 Vince Young BUF 38 93 8 40.9% 49.5%
4 David Garrard MIA 51 115 3 44.3% 47.0%
5 Eli Manning NYG 102 248 14 41.1% 46.8%
6 Andy Dalton CIN 28 60 0 46.7% 46.7%
7 Aaron Rodgers GB 79 200 14 39.5% 46.5%
8 Matt Schaub HOU 58 136 5 42.6% 46.3%
9 Matt Moore MIA 40 106 9 37.7% 46.2%
10 Tony Romo DAL 56 128 3 43.8% 46.1%


https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... p-passing/


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hypocritex wrote:
The stat is incorrect Phins Rock

Go here. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/ ... -tannehill

SAME exact website. And you can see his pass percentage of passes of 20+

It's not leading the league. And is not 48 percent. Someone made a boo boo.

You're right. Not sure how that mistake was made.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClxFYITh ... 96A113990D

he looks like more of a scrambler/gunslinger in this video than he has this season with Miami.
I'm hoping these highlights end up becoming the norm after this season. He should be a dangerous quarterback in the future.


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Rock Sexton wrote:
Whenever I tihnk of the phrase "deep ball" it always conjures the bombs.


I'd like to see another category: bombs. That would be any pass 35 yards or longer. Right now they are all lumped together.

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Big Dave wrote:
I'd like to see another category: bombs. That would be any pass 35 yards or longer. Right now they are all lumped together.


That's why I feel it's a misleading stat.

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I think any stat that makes him look like a good QB is misleading


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10acjed wrote:
I think any stat that makes him look like a good QB is misleading


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Rock Sexton wrote:
10acjed wrote:
I think any stat that makes him look like a good QB is misleading


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I think you should tail me with the same sarcasm on every single one of my posts. Image


I try, your just to active for me.... :grin:

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10acjed wrote:
I try, your just to active for me.... :grin:


Apparently not. LOL

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passes 31 and over 4 for 15 26.6 % for Tannehill.


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