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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:41 pm 
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by: Ethan J. Skolnick April 5th, 2010 | 11:16 AM Even before the NFL allowed its salary structure to spiral out of control, gifting tens of millions to unproven rookies, picking in the first round was no easy assignment.
Still, the Dolphins did quite well early in their franchise history, which led to doing quite well on the field.
Later on?
Well, that’s another story.
Here are the top 10 uses of a first-round pick in franchise history, taking the draft slot into some account.
1. Dan Marino, QB, #27, 1983
Next player taken: Darrell Green, CB, Redskins
Next QB taken: Jeff Christensen, Bengals, #137
2. Traded for Don Shula, coach, #22 in 1971
Slot used for: Don McCauley, RB, Colts
3. Bob Griese, QB, #4, 1967
Next player taken: George Webster, LB, Oilers
Next QB taken: Don Horn, Packers, #25
4. Larry Csonka, FB, #8, 1968
Next player taken: Haven Moses, DE, Bills
Next RB taken: MacArthur Lane, Cardinals, #13

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:43 pm 
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Bob Griese was not that good. I've always been befuddled as to how he got into the Hall of Fame.

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Why isn't Ted Ginn Jr. on that list?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:20 pm 
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Bob Griese was not that good. I've always been befuddled as to how he got into the Hall of Fame.


Yeah winning two Super Bowls, reaching another, and getting to 4 AFC Championship games is nothing to write home about...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:37 pm 
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Phins Rock wrote:
Iowafin wrote:
Bob Griese was not that good. I've always been befuddled as to how he got into the Hall of Fame.


Yeah winning two Super Bowls, reaching another, and getting to 4 AFC Championship games is nothing to write home about...
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Yeah, because we all know that Bob Griese did it all by himself. Had nothing to do with having 2 thousand rushers, a no name defense, and the greatest coach in NFL history.
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So you are saying that Tom Brady should not be in the Hall of Fame either then?


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Phins Rock wrote:
So you are saying that Tom Brady should not be in the Hall of Fame either then?


Wow. You are reaching. I don't like Tom Brady, and I don't think New England's Super Bowls should count....so I'll move the argument along....
Bob Griese, Terry Bradshaw and Joe Namath should not be in the Hall of Fame. Namath threw more picks that TD's by a large margin, and Bradshaw was nearly equal. Griese had a season where he complete only 48% of his passes.

If Super Bowl rings get you into the Hallf of Fame, then why not put every player on the Steelers, Jets or Dolphins in the Hall of Fame of those years? The quarterbacks of those days simply handed the ball off to the running back and let the defense play defense.

Tom Brady has nothing to do with this conversation.

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Tom Brady has 225 passing TD's and 99 INTs in 129 career games. Bob Griese has 192 TD passes and 172 INTs in 161 career games. Brady also has 5000+ more passing yards. He also set the NFL record at the time for TD passes in a year with 50. Mr. Brady also has won 78% of his games, compared for Grieses 61%. That being said, Tom's numbers are statistically better, but I am sure his core of receivers was better, and he passed the ball a lot more in his offense instead of relying on the run game.


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Iowafin wrote:
Bob Griese was not that good. I've always been befuddled as to how he got into the Hall of Fame.


Had you lived to know Griese you wouldn't be saying that. Hall of Famer? I think he's over-rated in that regard, but he was a very intelligent quarterback and had one heck of an arm. Had the Dolphins not run as much as they did, he could have carried them with his arm.

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Big Dave wrote:
Iowafin wrote:
Bob Griese was not that good. I've always been befuddled as to how he got into the Hall of Fame.


Had you lived to know Griese you wouldn't be saying that. Hall of Famer? I think he's over-rated in that regard, but he was a very intelligent quarterback and had one heck of an arm. Had the Dolphins not run as much as they did, he could have carried them with his arm.


Well that's what I'm saying. He is overrated. Still pretty good. In today's NFL he'd be a bust of a first rounder. He was pretty smart, had a good arm, but I don't know if I agree with the fact that if Miami hadn't had a running game that they could win on his arm.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:09 pm 
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Dont' forget that Griese, Bradshaw and Namath all called their own games. They didn't have plays called for them by the coaches. So in that regard, I think Griese should be in (the HOF) as it was "his" offense.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:13 pm 
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Two different era's. Griese called his own games and was legally blind in his right eye. When he started wearing glasses his stats went up. That might have been addressed by today's higher tech health care earlier in his career.


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Two different era's. Griese called his own games and was legally blind in his right eye. When he started wearing glasses his stats went up. That might have been addressed by today's higher tech health care earlier in his career.


Also, (this doesn't help my argument, but definitely something to throw around) the NFL's rules are slated to help passers today...you could closeline a receiver up to the early to mid 70's. Wasn't until around '78 that they put in the 5 yard chuck rule.

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An AFL All-Star during his first two years, Griese went on to earn AFL All-Star or AFC-NFC Pro Bowl honors in six more seasons. While he never put up huge numbers, his leadership played an important role in helping the Dolphins compete in three consecutive Super Bowls, winning the latter two contests.

He had established his reputation as the “Thinking Man’s Quarterback,” as he brilliantly called his own plays throughout his career. Dolphin owner Joe Robbie called him “the cornerstone of the franchise,” around whom the Miami Dolphins were built.


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An AFL All-Star during his first two years, Griese went on to earn AFL All-Star or AFC-NFC Pro Bowl honors in six more seasons. While he never put up huge numbers, his leadership played an important role in helping the Dolphins compete in three consecutive Super Bowls, winning the latter two contests.

He had established his reputation as the “Thinking Man’s Quarterback,” as he brilliantly called his own plays throughout his career. Dolphin owner Joe Robbie called him “the cornerstone of the franchise,” around whom the Miami Dolphins were built.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Griese


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...I think he's going to be a very good player for the future. He was disappointed in his play last year.He will tell you that. I think he can play better. We'll just have to see. I think he will.

..he said about Gibril Wilson.

Just sayin' that just because someone says he's good or "the cornerstone of the franchise" doesn't make it true.

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Well for Dolphins all time 1st round picks, Bob has to be one of them correct? Even if he is a system QB.....

Still did what few others have.....

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Well for Dolphins all time 1st round picks, Bob has to be one of them correct? Even if he is a system QB.....

Still did what few others have.....


I don't know, I'd put Csonk ahead of Griese at least...
Then Richmond Webb, then Griese to round out the top 5.

But 3rd best 1st rounder? I do not agree.

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