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 Post subject: The 2018 Rebuild - DL
PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:03 pm 
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Miami has a lot of money invested in the DL next year. Currently under contract - Ndomakung Suh, Jordan Phillips, Davon Godchaux, Vincent Taylor, Cameron Wake, Andre Branch, and Charles Harris. Free agents include - William Hayes, Terence Fede and Cameron Malveau (exclusive rights free agent).

Did I mention there is already a lot of money tied up here? Suh's cap number alone is $26.1 million. Miami could cut him, but they'd save $3 million and eat the rest aka not happening. Now a tweet from Omar Kelly has really thrown me off. He seemed to infer that Suh has some type of option meaning he can bail on the contract. I had never heard that before and may be misunderstanding the situation. Regardless, he isn't going anywhere because no one else is going to pay him that money.

The DT position will probably stay exactly as is now. If the opportunity is there I could see Miami drafting another DT to prepare for Suh's eventual departure. Miami could save $15 million by releasing him in 2019 if the play of the young guys continues to improve. I think the front office is rather optimistic about these guys. Godchaux has been the best rookie and Taylor has provided quality snaps. No reason to believe they won't build on that for next year. Lord help me Jordan Phillips is starting to live up to his talent. He may yet become a viable starter. So no major changes will happen here.

The DE position was supposed to be the catalyst that drove this defense. They would get after the QB and make life easier for the LBs and Secondary. They've flashed at times, but during that losing streak were nowhere to be found. Rookie Charles Harris leads the team in hurries so his contributions don't show up on the stat sheet. He'll need to do a better job setting the edge to become a full time starter next year. Andre Branch is by far the biggest disappointment. I'm not afraid to say it, he sucks this year after a very nice 2016. He costs $10 million against the cap next year but they cannot cut him because it would actually reduce cap space by $1.9 million. He stays. Cameron Wake will cost about $8.6 million against the cap. Miami could save nearly all of that by trading or releasing him. He's basically going to be a pass rush specialist and I'd imagine the coaching staff hopes Harris takes a lot of his snaps. Best guess is that they try to extend him another year and push some of that money to 2019 (when they can purge a ton of money). I strongly doubt they move on from their most heralded player. Keep an eye on Cameron Malveaux who just got the call up from the PS.

What to do with William Hayes and Terence Fede? Fede has looked pretty darn good in Hayes's absence and might give Miami something to really think about. He brings very good ST value. They're going to have to pick between the two and given Hayes's age and higher price tag I bet its Fede who gets a deal.

Edge rusher will be a very interesting move for Miami in the draft. With Wake in his final years, the Branch deal probably nixed in 2019, and not a big track record from the rest its more than likely Miami invests in the position. If they flop in December and have a top 7ish pick then Bradley Chubb becomes an intriguing option. Big guy who can both set the edge and get after the QB. He's projected in the top 5 but could get pushed down. There are a lot of intriguing options on Day (too many to list). The U's Chad Thomas is a name I've seen brought up several times. Another name to watch is Marcus Davenport from UTSA. We know that Tannenbaum loves to target pass rushers and corners early, so don't be shocked if that is the play.

So don't expect a major overhaul on the DL this year. One big addition to edge and some further DT depth perhaps later in the draft. Even if Wake moves some money it will be applied to re-signing Fede or Hayes with my money being on Fede. The cap still sits at $21.8 million for purposes of our discussion.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:10 pm 
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Nice writeup Jammer.

While I know we can't do anything with Suh this year, at some point I'd like to see a discussion on just how valuable he is to the team. If there is way to define how he makes the defense better.


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He is doubled teamed on almost every play.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:10 am 
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AQNOR wrote:
He is doubled teamed on almost every play.


I know and that is no small thing. He also makes at least two incredible plays a week. I'm not questioning that he's a great player that deserves every penny he gets. My question is do we need him in this defense. I mean, IDK how to phrase the question, but can we do with out him, does he really add anything to a bad defense?


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I know the Phins d is not great but imagine how much worse the run d would be with an extra blocker free to get to the next level.


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AQNOR wrote:
I know the Phins d is not great but imagine how much worse the run d would be with an extra blocker free to get to the next level.
:) Before these last two games, I would have said what does it matter. But the entire defense took it to another level last night. It's hard to say they let NE score 20 points and were dominant, but they were. When you see brady look that frustrated, you know they were doing it.

Back to my original question, I'm just wondering if we found another rookie or two and kept Phillips, whether losing Suh would really matter. Olrick and Solai did well for us not so long ago, and neither was as good as Suh. How crucial is Suh to a 4-3 defense compared to nose tackle in a 3-4.


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The entire defenses play has hinged on the play of Phillips this year.... And Timmons isn't so bad for being as washed up as he is....


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:20 pm 
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Well you cant effectively run a 3/4 without a nose tackle so in absolute terms a nose tackle would be more important in my opinion than Suh in a 4/3.

However possible future HOF players should not be lightly dismissed.


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