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One of the reasons the stability of Miami's offensive line is profoundly important this year is because the Dolphins are undergoing something of a transformation on offense and it greatly depends on the ability of the front wall to stay sturdy.

The Dolphins, you see, are apparently going away from their typical offense this year. So far this training camp the use of the FB as the lead blocker has been rare indeed

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So the Dolphins may be transitioning to a three-receiver set team.

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Yes, the tight end or H-back (depending on personnel) can serve as the lead blocker. But even that is hardly considered a hammering attempt to be physical because Dustin Keller often is asked to serve as the lead blocker. And if you are aware of Keller's histroy you know he's an accomplished pass-catching tight end. But as a blocker ... he's an accomplished pass-catching tight end.

And Charles Clay's blocking will never be confused with Leach's lead blocking.

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Simply, if that unit doesn't win up front, there is no fullback reinforcement coming through the hole to help. It's win or the play loses.

Except that, as you'll read in my column the line is definitely not stable right now.

Yes, it's early in camp. Most clubs just opened camp this past weekend while the Dolphins have already been in camp since July 22. But Jerry will be out at least another week at best and perhaps three more weeks. He definitely isn't playing the preseason opener against Dallas in the Hall of Fame game. So time is precious.

Obviously, the Dolphins could decide to shelve their three-wide look as a base offense. (God, I hope not)

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No, the Dolphins need the offensive line to step up ...

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All we heard from Omar Kelly during the offseason was the importance of a pulling guard. IF Samuda can anchor at center and IF Pouncey is as good at pulling as has been reported then it is a win win for Miami. Lots of IFs.

I'm not sure Jerry's injury is going to hurt the o-line outside of depth. Sounds like Thomas could be decent enough replacement should Samuda be the backup center. Was Jerry even performing in camp? I read his conditioning was a lot better.


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More breaking news:

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We've known since the season was over that the OL was going to be a BIG key. There a reason Miami wanted the Hall of Fame game.

This team needs to find chemistry, and especially the offensive line.

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Wait .... the offensive line affects the offense? What a profound concept. Mind is blown.

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yet everyone here was 100% against drafting Lane Johnson.


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Sounds like another tough night for the o-line.


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yet everyone here was 100% against drafting Lane Johnson.


Was, still is, always will be.


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yet everyone here was 100% against drafting Lane Johnson.


Really? Everyone?

Exaggerate much?

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OL is a piece of the puzzle. The biggest piece is QB. We've seen over and over in the league that a great QB makes a below average OL better. Brady is rare, no doubt, but to say he has had a great OL for 13 yrs is a stretch. Again, I'm not saying OL isn't important, but it's deficiencies can be hidden with good QB play.


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We've seen over and over in the league that a great QB makes a below average OL better.


We have? Where have we seen this "over and over"?

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Brady is rare, no doubt, but to say he has had a great OL for 13 yrs is a stretch.


Brady has had very good to great offensive lines for most of his career, especially at the tackle position. Matt Lyght protected Brady's blindside for most of his career, Sebastian Volmer, Logan Mankins etc. These are Pro Bowl caliber players.

If you look at the metrics, New England's line usually ranks near the top of the league. They also are able to produce a running game, even when you have people like Danny Woodhead running the ball.

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We have? Where have we seen this "over and over"?

Brady year in and year out. Brees and Rogers winning the SB a few years ago.


If you look at the metrics, New England's line usually ranks near the top of the league.

Could that be because of Brady?

They also are able to produce a running game, even when you have people like Danny Woodhead running the ball.

The Defense focusses on stopping Brady.


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There is a nice article on http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/pete- ... rback-luck.


A bad offensive line. The Colts spent and drafted to improve the line this offseason in large part because Luck was hammered last season. They could have as many as three new starters on the line, including free agents Gosder Cherilus and Donald Thomas.

Luck got hammered last year behind a bad OL, but he still took the Colts to a 11-5 record and a playoff berth. Again, OL is important, but QB play is more important.


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Could that be because of Brady?


The offense continued to be pretty efficient the year Brady went down with an injury, especially the running game.

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There is a nice article on http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/pete- ... rback-luck.


A bad offensive line. The Colts spent and drafted to improve the line this offseason in large part because Luck was hammered last season. They could have as many as three new starters on the line, including free agents Gosder Cherilus and Donald Thomas.

Luck got hammered last year behind a bad OL, but he still took the Colts to a 11-5 record and a playoff berth. Again, OL is important, but QB play is more important.



Luck also had 18 INTs, more than one per game, to counter his 23 touchdowns, and completed only 54% of his passes and finished the season with a 76.5 QB rating. He also had 10 fumbles.

And in their loan playoff game, he completed less than 52% of his passes, threw a pick, no TDs and finished with a 59.8 rating.

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Rich wrote:
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yet everyone here was 100% against drafting Lane Johnson.


Really? Everyone?

Exaggerate much?


actually isn't much of an exaggeration. There may have been 1 or 2 guys that were in favor of a lineman that high for us. I remember it well.


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the Patriots surround Brady with excellent protection because he is the type of quarterback that absolutely needs it. He doesn't play well with pressure and hits. Just look at his Super Bowl losses.
When protection is perfect he is perfect. When it breaks down he is just another quarterback.


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Rich wrote:
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yet everyone here was 100% against drafting Lane Johnson.


Really? Everyone?

Exaggerate much?


actually isn't much of an exaggeration. There may have been 1 or 2 guys that were in favor of a lineman that high for us. I remember it well.


Sorry, there is nothing else to call what you said (everyone 100% against drafting an offensive lineman) but a complete and total exaggeration.

There were people who preferred other players (some preferred other offensive linemen besides Lane Johnson) and yes there were people who didn't want to go offensive line, but not EVERYONE was 100% against going offensive line.

Just because some people preferred another player or position does not mean they were 100% against going offensive line.

You were just so in favor of it that any differing opinion was invalid to you.

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nope


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According to the Miami Herald, Dolphins LT Jonathan Martin has been "owned" by second-year RE Olivier Vernon "since the opening of camp."
Martin was beaten for three sacks by Vernon in Thursday's practice, and two more sacks by Dion Jordan on Wednesday. Per reporter Armando Salguero, Martin's pass pro is "looking problematic at this point." The Dolphins have known this was a potential issue all along, pursuing Branden Albert in trade talks before the draft. Now, they may be stuck with Martin on Ryan Tannehill's blindside.


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