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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:52 pm 
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Let's do a top list for last nights "debate". And I say debate very loosely because there was no real debate, just a dog and pony show with loaded questions for each candidate. When a real debate was fixing to break out, the kindly shut them down and moved along. I know this is highly subjective to peoples political ties / parties etc, but that's what makes discussing it fun.

1. Rand Paul - I loved the fact he called out / hammered Trump. The golden boy of everyone right now, who virtually has no platform other than "our leaders are stupid". Granted fox tried to lay him on the chopping block for everyone, whatever, he still has no real weight in my book. Kudos to Rand for calling him out on raising his hand. A "die hard" Libertarian might ask, why didn't Rand raise his hand? If he fails as a Repub, why not run Independent? Also, why did Christie get so sideways with Rand? What is wrong with wanting to gather more intel on terrorist and not citizens of the United States? If you want the info on/from citizens, simple, get a warrant. Rand's point was clear, get a warrant and that somehow irked Christie. That's the bill of rights. Christie had to resort to campaign smearing with his "raise money for your campaign" shot, then Rand fired one back about the hug. Christie lost me with his sappy sob story about hugging the people after 9/11. If you're a liberty inded person, how could you not put Rand 1? Rand's continued effort to stand by our Constitution and our rights will always keep him at the top for me. He don't have a shot at getting the nod, but I like him.

2. Marco Rubio - Rubio surprised me last night. He did well in all phases of the game last night.
3. Ted Cruz - Cruz will always do well in this setting. It's in his wheel house.
3 / 4. Ben Carson - For Ben to not be a "politician" I thought he was spot on last night.
5. Scott Walker - Nobody can deny his toughness through the fire. He'll remain solid for awhile.
6. Jeb Bush - He didn't hurt himself with anything ignorant, but he did nothing to push himself into the top either.
7. John Kasich - Hometown favorite and it showed.
8. Chris Christie - He's proud of the work he's done in his state. But quoting that over and over alone doesn't earn you the nomination. There were several on that stage that have balanced their budgets and turned their states around. I've never liked this guy, it'll be hard for him to convince me otherwise.
9. Huckabee - He had some pretty good one liners & comments on hot button issues, but it's a been there and done that feel from him for me right now.
10. Donald Trump - This is my personal opinion on my list, so I'm entitled. This guy is a complete a$$. No bones about it for me. He's rude, has no platform and people are falling for him hand over fist because "he's not a politician" and "he says stuff other politicians wouldn't say". That's because other guys are smarter than he is. How is this attitude going to work in foreign relations? It won't. Period. I was almost embarrassed watching some of the stuff he said last night.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:42 pm 
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I will list who I think did well with voters. This does not indicate my personal preferences or who I liked the most during the debate.

1. Trump
2. Cruz
3. Rubio
4. Carson
5. Huckabee
6. Kasich
7. Paul
8. Walker
9. Bush
10. Christie


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:44 pm 
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AQNOR wrote:
I will list who I think did well with voters. This does not indicate my personal preferences or who I liked the most during the debate.

1. Trump
2. Cruz
3. Rubio
4. Carson
5. Huckabee
6. Kasich
7. Paul
8. Walker
9. Bush
10. Christie


I agree with this list. adding that Fiorina did well on the "Jr" debate. I think she helped herself get closer to a position somewhere in the new admin, maybe the new secretary of state or even a Vice President run .

I really liked what I heard out of Dr. Ben Carson. I'm looking for someone different. Some of the people on that dias came off so fake and so much of the usual B.S. that will continue if elected IMO.

Rand came off as a moron. Last night was not the time to come out swinging. He needed to tell people his vision and his message. He looked silly and very un sincere , almost like he was looking for a fight. Trump dusted him with one sentence. How does that help his cause? Very silly stragedy. Rand wont make it past the first round as this line up gets whittled down.

I really liked Rubio. So far that's the guy I'm listening to now and I have an ear over in the Carson camp. He's not ready for center stage but he can make a great Vice President runner as well . Cruz has potential , but he's a little too religious for my taste.

Trumps lead will fade over the next year. The smart ones will stay quiet and let him screw it up . Rand made himself look bad .

The very fact that the GOP , some of it anyway , feel so threatened by him has got me very interested. I still think he is a ego driven blowhard , but I am starting to ask myself......maybe that's what we need ? The complete anti politician? Someone with FU money and status that doesn't have a filter , to actually change the staus Quo? I tell you what , a lot of people look scared.

Kelly asked a few tough questions and I respect that. The problem I have she asked NO ONE else any tough questions so it came off as attacking and bias. Not cool. What are they afraid of? If Trumps as bad as they say , let him prove it. I think he will.

She came off as a Hot dyed blonde angry female. She was anything but professional.


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The reason why the GOP establishment is scared of Trump is bc he will get slaughtered in the general election.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:55 pm 
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1984phins wrote:
The reason why the GOP establishment is scared of Trump is bc he will get slaughtered in the general election.



I agree , its why I started that last thread. I'm not so sure he would get slaughtered, but the chances are truly greater. Hillary and company are evil . If anyone took anything from the debates last night besides all the Kelly Bullcrap , its that Obama is trying to lead by dividing this country. Its a sin and a disgrace. Hillary will continue much of the same. My stance on politics right now is basically the same as when I watch the Jets on Monday night football. Whoever plays the Jets is my favorite team. The same goes from my take on Hillary. I was born into a liberal democratic family. I was a Union member in NYC for 15 yrs before moving to south Fla. I'm no conservative believe me. I'm independent. I listen to both sides and try to make a educated decision. I even gave Obama a shot last time before ultimately voting for Romney.

What I've seen in the last few yrs scares the hell out of me. For my kids and future grandchildren. Now getting into bed with IRAN? sending them cash and lifting sanction's? I remember when Obama got caught on tape telling Putin to just be patient , he just needs to get re elected. If that deal goes through its some serious crap that's going to go down.

I'm for taking Hillary out at all costs. Whoever can beat her the easiest needs to win that nomination. If its Rand Paul then so be it. Ted Cruz or Rubio. Trump is just taking up space and airtime, but what he is saying is not so out there. He is just not a politician. If he goes independent I'll be pissed. But I doubt he will. Hillary gets in , him and him empire is probably more screwed then anyone.


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I'm intrigued by Carly Fiorina. She comes off as very strong and credible, she is specific, focused and talks in a way that is both easy to understand and credible. I was very surprised by her performance in the Happy Hour debate and thought she did better than anyone on both stages.

I thought both Cruz and Huckabee did well, but they are unelectable in my book. Jeb Bush looked like a deer in the headlights, Chris Christie is annoying, Scott Walker puts me to sleep and Rand Paul's strategy I think backfired a bit on him. Rubio also did well, he seems like the Republican version of Obama, young minority candidate who is articulate.

Trump does not even deserve mention.

I'm going to learn more about Fiorina, I think she is a strong performer.

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I'd like th o see Fiorina or Dr Carson as running mates. Thinking 8 yrs down the line we are going to need a strong candidate to keep these liberal socialists at bay. It's g oing to take at least 16 yrs to undo the mess Obama has created.


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