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still hasn't won squat since the cheating stopped. Coincidence?????


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Post Re: but I thought Tom Brady was the best quarterback ever? LOL
yep , I feel like once again we won our super bowl. every time the Patriots get eliminated it makes our season a success. just shows how lucky they got that last game of the season. and next season we have the Ravens at home , cant wait until be annihilate the afc champs.

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2nd year in a row Flacco outplayed Brady in the playoffs.


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Post Re: but I thought Tom Brady was the best quarterback ever? LOL
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2nd year in a row Flacco outplayed Brady in the playoffs.


I agree. gives us hope as I think Tannehill is every bit as good as Flacco.

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Post Re: but I thought Tom Brady was the best quarterback ever? LOL
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2nd year in a row Flacco outplayed Brady in the playoffs.


I agree. gives us hope as I think Tannehill is every bit as good as Flacco.


yup, similar in alot of ways


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2nd year in a row Flacco outplayed Brady in the playoffs.


I agree. gives us hope as I think Tannehill is every bit as good as Flacco.

I have no idea whether you're being sarcastic or not....

I think their careers will have similar trajectories (as far as individual success, not team success). I tend to think Tannehill has a higher ceiling, but that's a biased opinion.

Flacco is never winning a Super Bowl, so I'd hope Tannehill turns out to be better.


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Post Re: but I thought Tom Brady was the best quarterback ever? LOL
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2nd year in a row Flacco outplayed Brady in the playoffs.


I agree. gives us hope as I think Tannehill is every bit as good as Flacco.


yup, similar in alot of ways


FINesse is being sarcastic as usual swerve.

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Post Re: but I thought Tom Brady was the best quarterback ever? LOL
was not being sarcastic about Tannehill .... no reason to think he wont be an elite QB in this league & win numerous super bowls. it took Flacco 5-6 years to reach a super bowl , I am sure Tannehill will do it in less time. circle that game next season vs. the Ravens a a signature win. they will not be the same without RL. the afc as a whole sees us on a extreme rise.
About the erection we get though when the Patriots lose , yeah that is tiresome. Worry less about them & the Jets & more about us.

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Post Re: but I thought Tom Brady was the best quarterback ever? LOL
I think it's funny how some people here are so over-enamoured with the QB. How many times did we hear last off-season that we had to do absolutely whatever it takes, no matter what, to trade up for RGIII because the QB is everything?

Peyton out! (best QB this century)
Brady Out!
Eli out!

Flacco in.

Guess it takes more than just a QB.


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I agree. gives us hope as I think Tannehill is every bit as good as Flacco.

yup, similar in alot of ways


FINesse is being sarcastic as usual swerve.


that comment didnt sound sarcastic. Oh well i don't care.


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Post Re: but I thought Tom Brady was the best quarterback ever? LOL
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I think it's funny how some people here are so over-enamoured with the QB. How many times did we hear last off-season that we had to do absolutely whatever it takes, no matter what, to trade up for RGIII because the QB is everything?

Peyton out! (best QB this century)
Brady Out!
Eli out!

Flacco in.

Guess it takes more than just a QB.


this is the argument I get into everytime I talk football with people. They rate QB's by rings, how stupid is that?
so all of a sudden 'average Eli' is better than Dan Marino. Both of Eli's rings came in seasons where the Giants looked like a run-of-the-mill team and just got red hot at the end.
Winning a Super Bowl takes a perfect storm of circumstances.


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this is the argument I get into everytime I talk football with people. They rate QB's by rings, how stupid is that?

It may not be fair or right, but that is how QB are judged.

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so all of a sudden 'average Eli' is better than Dan Marino. Both of Eli's rings came in seasons where the Giants looked like a run-of-the-mill team and just got red hot at the end.
Winning a Super Bowl takes a perfect storm of circumstances.

One time maybe, but not twice.


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Post Re: but I thought Tom Brady was the best quarterback ever? LOL
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It may not be fair or right, but that is how QB are judged.



I don't agree with it but that's another discussion. What I find crazy is the argument that you should give up absolutely anything to get the top QB in the draft. Football is a team sport. It takes 50 guys plus a good coaching staff to win. One player, no matter how good at any position can't win by themselves.


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Post Re: but I thought Tom Brady was the best quarterback ever? LOL
You do need a QB. It is a QB driven league. Guys like Flacco & Eli might not look like world beaters during the regular season but in the playoffs when they made their super bowl runs they played lights out. Growing up a giant fan I am glad to have had Eli over Peyton , at least as of right now because he has 1 more ring. While we as Dolphin fans are a bit sensitive about the ring thing as it equates to the QB position , it does somewhat matter. But the staff is also part of the team & all this talk about lack of talent around the QB position whether it was Marino or now Tannehill just exposes the teams weaknesses. I am really glad we have the right regime now to get all the pieces in place.

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Post Re: but I thought Tom Brady was the best quarterback ever? LOL
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I am really glad we have the right regime now to get all the pieces in place.


Me too.

And I agree that you do need a QB, but there is a limit to the price you should pay. Not everyone around here sees it that way. What good is a QB when you have no talent around him?


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Post Re: but I thought Tom Brady was the best quarterback ever? LOL
And Goodall thought he destroyed all the evidence...Except the past 6 years.


:ann0y:


The Ray Lewis penalty/hit on Hernandez was rubbish.

Can the Patriots have a drive without the aid of a rubbish call...Those unnecesary roughness calls were disgraceful.


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I am really glad we have the right regime now to get all the pieces in place.


Me too.

And I agree that you do need a QB, but there is a limit to the price you should pay. Not everyone around here sees it that way. What good is a QB when you have no talent around him?


Can we also agree that with all the money & picks if they somehow screw this season up we can want them to be fired & not be considered haters. (Not that I think that will happen of course)

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FINesse wrote:
I am really glad we have the right regime now to get all the pieces in place.


Me too.

And I agree that you do need a QB, but there is a limit to the price you should pay. Not everyone around here sees it that way. What good is a QB when you have no talent around him?


Can we also agree that with all the money & picks if they somehow screw this season up we can want them to be fired & not be considered haters. (Not that I think that will happen of course)


I give Ireland more of a break than others, but if he doesn't improve the team via free agency AND hit on several of those top draft picks... Yeah, it's time to go.


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You need a QB and coach that don't melt under pressure. You also need a defense that can rattle the opposing coach and QB.

Miami has the building blocks minus speed on offense. Can they develop? We shall see.


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Both Harbaughs' staffs made excellent halftime adjustments. In the Ravens/Patriots game, I think you can say that Harbaugh outcoached the great Belichick.

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Post Re: but I thought Tom Brady was the best quarterback ever? LOL
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swerve13 wrote:
this is the argument I get into everytime I talk football with people. They rate QB's by rings, how stupid is that?

It may not be fair or right, but that is how QB are judged.

swerve13 wrote:
so all of a sudden 'average Eli' is better than Dan Marino. Both of Eli's rings came in seasons where the Giants looked like a run-of-the-mill team and just got red hot at the end.
Winning a Super Bowl takes a perfect storm of circumstances.

One time maybe, but not twice.


The way the NFL is, I'm not do sure. The Giants followed their two Super Bowl wins with 0 playoff wins in '08 and missing the playoffs in '12. And while Eli played well in those two Super Bowls, it was the Giants defense that won both games, due to holding the mighty Pats to 14 and 17 points. To go one step further the play before the Tyree catch, Eli threw an INT that was dropped. Plus the Tyree catch probably goes down as the luckiest play in Super Bowl history. Then last year the play that sticks out to me was Welker not catching that pass from Brady (or Brady not throwing it correctly) that would have sealed the game.

That is why I disagree with the simplistic, lazy analysis of football that gives 100% of blame and credit to one man.

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Sorry, your team starts with a QB. Now of course it's a team game and every other cliche that's out there, fill in the blank. Take a look at the last few years and even this year. Both QBs in the SB are high draft picks. 3 out of 4 yesterday were in the top 4 in QBR. Now, on the flip side, Payton Manning didn't let Jones go deep and misplay that ball last week in which the Ravens won. Then again, Flacco made the throw. So it depends on the perspective. Manning did have a pick when the game was in his hands. The bottomline is that it all starts with the QB, but you must build a solid team to support him. Take the Fins, we have done crap since Marino retired. However, we did win the East with a "decent" QB in Pennington which ironically enough, was a 1st rd QB. Data doesn't lie.


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You do need a QB. It is a QB driven league. Guys like Flacco & Eli might not look like world beaters during the regular season but in the playoffs when they made their super bowl runs they played lights out. Growing up a giant fan I am glad to have had Eli over Peyton , at least as of right now because he has 1 more ring. While we as Dolphin fans are a bit sensitive about the ring thing as it equates to the QB position , it does somewhat matter. But the staff is also part of the team & all this talk about lack of talent around the QB position whether it was Marino or now Tannehill just exposes the teams weaknesses. I am really glad we have the right regime now to get all the pieces in place.


my belief is that it is easier for a variety of QB's to win a ring in this era of football. It was tougher back in Marino's day because of true dynastys like the Niners and Cowboys. Great teams stayed great for a long time because they kept their team's intact every season. Now there is tons of parody so all you have to do is play middle of the road football all season and just get in and then it's a crapshoot every year. There are no dominant teams anymore.


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And Goodall thought he destroyed all the evidence...Except the past 6 years.


:ann0y:


The Ray Lewis penalty/hit on Hernandez was rubbish.

Can the Patriots have a drive without the aid of a rubbish call...Those unnecesary roughness calls were disgraceful.



and I can't believe that the refs finally called Brady for a grounding penalty. I was shocked! I mean he only does it every week.


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Post Re: but I thought Tom Brady was the best quarterback ever? LOL
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Dphins4me wrote:
swerve13 wrote:
this is the argument I get into everytime I talk football with people. They rate QB's by rings, how stupid is that?

It may not be fair or right, but that is how QB are judged.

swerve13 wrote:
so all of a sudden 'average Eli' is better than Dan Marino. Both of Eli's rings came in seasons where the Giants looked like a run-of-the-mill team and just got red hot at the end.
Winning a Super Bowl takes a perfect storm of circumstances.

One time maybe, but not twice.


The way the NFL is, I'm not do sure. The Giants followed their two Super Bowl wins with 0 playoff wins in '08 and missing the playoffs in '12. And while Eli played well in those two Super Bowls, it was the Giants defense that won both games, due to holding the mighty Pats to 14 and 17 points. To go one step further the play before the Tyree catch, Eli threw an INT that was dropped. Plus the Tyree catch probably goes down as the luckiest play in Super Bowl history. Then last year the play that sticks out to me was Welker not catching that pass from Brady (or Brady not throwing it correctly) that would have sealed the game.

That is why I disagree with the simplistic, lazy analysis of football that gives 100% of blame and credit to one man.


:awe: Seems like Eli either wins a ring or just craps the bed every other season. I watched that guy played 2 lousy months of football this year. That's not elite to me. Don't remember Marino ever doing that. Peyton never does that.


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Kev1321 wrote:
And Goodall thought he destroyed all the evidence...Except the past 6 years.


:ann0y:


The Ray Lewis penalty/hit on Hernandez was rubbish.

Can the Patriots have a drive without the aid of a rubbish call...Those unnecesary roughness calls were disgraceful.



and I can't believe that the refs finally called Brady for a grounding penalty. I was shocked! I mean he only does it every week.



They picked up the flag. Non call


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What do you guys think about his slide when it looked like he tried to kick Ed Reed?


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I don't like seeing anyone get hurt, but I think it would have been karma if Brady didn't get up from that.


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Sorry, your team starts with a QB. Now of course it's a team game and every other cliche that's out there, fill in the blank. Take a look at the last few years and even this year. Both QBs in the SB are high draft picks. 3 out of 4 yesterday were in the top 4 in QBR. Now, on the flip side, Payton Manning didn't let Jones go deep and misplay that ball last week in which the Ravens won. Then again, Flacco made the throw. So it depends on the perspective. Manning did have a pick when the game was in his hands. The bottomline is that it all starts with the QB, but you must build a solid team to support him. Take the Fins, we have done crap since Marino retired. However, we did win the East with a "decent" QB in Pennington which ironically enough, was a 1st rd QB. Data doesn't lie.


Data doesn't lie but can be used to say just about anything.
I could point out every 1st round QB bust or every 1st QB that never won the Super Bowl, that would not be the data lying.
I could also point out that more Superbowls have been won by non-1st round QB's in the past 10 years than by 1st round QB's, that also would not be lying.

Where we agree is that it starts with the QB.
We also somewhat agree it takes more than the QB.
I happen to believe that it takes a lot more than just the QB.


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I could also point out that more Superbowls have been won by non-1st round QB's in the past 10 years than by 1st round QB's, that also would not be lying.

No, 6 out of 10 QBs were 1st rd picks. See highlighted below.

Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD


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The only QB that sucks on that list is Brade Johnson. Brady comes around once in 20 years. My point is that it does start with a QB, so we agree.


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What do you guys think about his slide when it looked like he tried to kick Ed Reed?

Wrong, but I'd venture a guess the hits Reed has laid on a few people were in Brady's head. His intent is only known to him.


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The only QB that sucks on that list is Brade Johnson. Brady comes around once in 20 years. My point is that it does start with a QB, so we agree.


I'm not arguing with you. It does start with a QB. But there are a few voices around that think a QB is the only thing that matters.

I picked 10 years at random. It's probably at 15 years where the 1st round QBs lose the advantage.


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To be honest, guys, he is showing signs of age. He isn't the consistent quarterback he used to be. You're starting to hear the same thing that people said about Danny in his later years: he needs more help.

What about Welker dropping that easy pass in the red zone? The one he dropped last year in the Super Bowl was a tough catch, but this one was should have been had.

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Post Re: but I thought Tom Brady was the best quarterback ever? LOL
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I could also point out that more Superbowls have been won by non-1st round QB's in the past 10 years than by 1st round QB's, that also would not be lying.

No, 6 out of 10 QBs were 1st rd picks. See highlighted below.

Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD


Rich Gannon, Jake Delhomme, Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasslebeck, Rex Grossman, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger and Tom Brady...the losing QB in each. So going by your numbers only approach you have a 60% chance of getting to the Super Bowl with a non-first round QB. Add Kaepernick to that mix this year and you have a 63.6% chance.

The numbers don't lie. And even better, the first round QBs got bailed out by their defense each time minus Brees and Rodgers.


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What do you guys think about his slide when it looked like he tried to kick Ed Reed?

Wrong, but I'd venture a guess the hits Reed has laid on a few people were in Brady's head. His intent is only known to him.


If that was Suh it would be all over tv and a fine.


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Worry less about them & the Jets & more about us.



But there is not much hope for Miami to do much better while still having the same ownership and managers. What can we worry about and wonder about after everything we've seen? It seems time is better spent watching the demise of the Jesters and the Cheaters. The lackluster netting of talent and luck by Miami runs deep. And you know how the Romans said, "Silent waters run deep". And boy is Miami's threat silent and will remain silent until the team has a new owner and manager or is moved to a different city where collecting an NFL pay check without the desire for winning is so much fun.

I'm tired of having hope when there is such an extreme void of talent and luck. I do enjoy seeing teams that have the talent like the Patriots lose and that is what makes it all bearable for now.


Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:18 am
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Post Re: but I thought Tom Brady was the best quarterback ever? LOL
I think a better indicator is to look at the past 10 drafts, not 10 Super Bowls.

Prior to this season, David Garrard and TJ Yates were the only non-1st round QB's who were drafted in the last 10 years to have won a Playoff game...1 each.

This season saw others...Kaepernick, Wilson, Schaub.

Every rule has exceptions...but the 1st round QB theory is becoming a pretty firm rule.


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