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Allen would be fine, but to land him Miami will need to use the No. 12 pick & frankly I do not think he will be worth that high of a 1st. If Miami goes WR in Rd. 1 then they should try & trade back. I personally do not see a huge difference between some of the top guys.


If he is still on the board in the mid 20 range Miami has the ammo to move up and get him...if he really is that good. I've just read some analysts say he has the ability to be a legit #1 in the NFL.


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Post Re: Bill Polian ranks Wallace, Jennings, and Bowe
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Dphins4me wrote:
Allen would be fine, but to land him Miami will need to use the No. 12 pick & frankly I do not think he will be worth that high of a 1st. If Miami goes WR in Rd. 1 then they should try & trade back. I personally do not see a huge difference between some of the top guys.


If he is still on the board in the mid 20 range Miami has the ammo to move up and get him...if he really is that good. I've just read some analysts say he has the ability to be a legit #1 in the NFL.


Keenan Allen? He's a big, possession receiver. I don't see him getting down the field, or making YAC.

Not what we need.


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Keenan Allen? He's a big, possession receiver. I don't see him getting down the field, or making YAC.

Not what we need.


A big, possession receiver who can create YAC and be a Red Zone target is not what the team needs?


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Post Re: Bill Polian ranks Wallace, Jennings, and Bowe
jammer wrote:
Phins Rock wrote:
Keenan Allen? He's a big, possession receiver. I don't see him getting down the field, or making YAC.

Not what we need.


A big, possession receiver who can create YAC and be a Red Zone target is not what the team needs?


What we need is a speedster who stretches the D


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jammer wrote:
Phins Rock wrote:
Keenan Allen? He's a big, possession receiver. I don't see him getting down the field, or making YAC.

Not what we need.


A big, possession receiver who can create YAC and be a Red Zone target is not what the team needs?


What we need is a speedster who stretches the D


We need both.


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Post Re: Bill Polian ranks Wallace, Jennings, and Bowe
jammer wrote:
Phins Rock wrote:
Keenan Allen? He's a big, possession receiver. I don't see him getting down the field, or making YAC.

Not what we need.


A big, possession receiver who can create YAC and be a Red Zone target is not what the team needs?

If he did create YAC I'd agree. But I don't see him as a RAC guy. At Cal he was brought down immediately easily and consistently.


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1.) Im still for swinging a second rounder for Fitzgerald and drafting a WR high in the draft as an option, proven commodity there, and some one to groom, the age is about right, and it would seem logical (especially if a packaged deal for Odrick instead of a pick may be possible) (approx $12 million)


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ha! Benny Hill. Oh the memories!


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degs wrote:
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A big, possession receiver who can create YAC and be a Red Zone target is not what the team needs?


What we need is a speedster who stretches the D


We need both.


We NEED a speedster. A possession receiver is a nice to have, but probably about the 8th biggest need on the team


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We NEED a speedster. A possession receiver is a nice to have, but probably about the 8th biggest need on the team


Which possession receiver on the team is currently making big plays in the Red Zone?

Its a need.


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ha! Benny Hill. Oh the memories!


Haha my favorite show from childhood.

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degs wrote:
We NEED a speedster. A possession receiver is a nice to have, but probably about the 8th biggest need on the team


Which possession receiver on the team is currently making big plays in the Red Zone?

Its a need.


As i said, About the 8th biggest need on the team.


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As i said, About the 8th biggest need on the team.


A playmaking receiver is the biggest need on the team. If its a possession guy who can win jump balls, break tackles and score TDs then so be it. Its more important than a T, G or CB. You can sign any speedster you want but you're not just going to chuck deep balls to him all game. You need a a guy to work the middle of the field and be a threat in the red zone. Maybe its Hartline with a deep threat complement.

Its in the top 3 on the list, not some nice to have. Ireland, Philbin, the writers, us...we all have pretty much concluded the team needs points. A speed receiver and a possession receiver will be priority 1 and 1A.


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An anonymous scout tells SI's Peter King he's "scared to death" of free agent Dwayne Bowe.
"Like him a lot, but not sure what we'd be buying if we signed him," the scout said. "Too much baggage." Entering his age-29 campaign, Bowe has mostly been a good soldier since his four-game PED suspension in 2009, but has clashed with coaches in the past. However, we doubt Bowe's early-career immaturity will significantly affect his market, which should be robust.


It really is a shame the headaches that some of these guys become. It ends up overshadowing their game. I like Dwayne Bowe on the field alot, but baggage is hard to buy.


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Post Re: Bill Polian ranks Wallace, Jennings, and Bowe
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We NEED a speedster. A possession receiver is a nice to have, but probably about the 8th biggest need on the team


Disagree.

If you get that vertical threat, you still need to compliment him with that threat to the 1st and 2nd level that can catch touchdowns in the red zone.

We have those players that can threaten the 1st and 2nd level, but each of them caught ONE touchdown this past season.

Simply not good enough.

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Rich wrote:
degs wrote:
We NEED a speedster. A possession receiver is a nice to have, but probably about the 8th biggest need on the team


Disagree.

If you get that vertical threat, you still need to compliment him with that threat to the 1st and 2nd level that can catch touchdowns in the red zone.

We have those players that can threaten the 1st and 2nd level, but each of them caught ONE touchdown this past season.

Simply not good enough.


That doesn't necessarily have to be a WR though, Rich.

What if you had a dominant set of TE's? That's where I'd like to see our size come from.


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Simply not good enough.


I agree it is not good enough. But when you factor in all the other things that will improve the play;
A non-rookie QB
Less pressure on the #2 and #3 WRs because of an actual target
Better play all around because not everyone is learning the system
And a whole host of other factors

With all those things in mind I would prefer to give RT more time to throw by improving the line, more options by improving the TE, less pressure to score by improving the holes in the defense.

There are still big holes to fill. I'd rather prioritise those than go after the nice to haves if I had to choose only one. But with our cap space and draft picks I think both can be addressed.


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That doesn't necessarily have to be a WR though, Rich.

What if you had a dominant set of TE's? That's where I'd like to see our size come from.


Still qualifies as grabbing a possession receiver in my opinion. If Miami wants to sign Wallace and Keller, and draft Ertz then great. Just have some guys who can work the middle of the field.

If Hartline walks I just don't want to see Miami trying to fill the void with Binns, Matthews or Fuller. Keeping Hartline or getting his replacement is a big priority.


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With all those things in mind I would prefer to give RT more time to throw by improving the line ...


Not to change the subject here, but I don't think Ireland knows how build a top flight offensive line. He's burned top draft picks and went through Ross' wallet to get what we now have. I think our offensive line needs a facelift, too. I'm not sure where I'd rank it on the other holes we have to fill.

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Post Re: Bill Polian ranks Wallace, Jennings, and Bowe
Phins Rock wrote:
Rich wrote:
degs wrote:
We NEED a speedster. A possession receiver is a nice to have, but probably about the 8th biggest need on the team


Disagree.

If you get that vertical threat, you still need to compliment him with that threat to the 1st and 2nd level that can catch touchdowns in the red zone.

We have those players that can threaten the 1st and 2nd level, but each of them caught ONE touchdown this past season.

Simply not good enough.


That doesn't necessarily have to be a WR though, Rich.

What if you had a dominant set of TE's? That's where I'd like to see our size come from.


That's arguing semantics.

Tight end, possession receiver. In today's pass happy NFL there isn't much of a difference anymore.

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Post Re: Bill Polian ranks Wallace, Jennings, and Bowe
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While I did catch the part about him being a good receiver who has question marks due to him being rather small and also not reaching a deal with the Steelers (something that would make teams wary of him).

I'm confused with this comment. Why should him not reaching a deal with the Steelers give teams something to be wary about? Why is this only applied to him & not the rest of the FA class every year? Hartline is in the same situation, shouldn't teams be wary about him not reaching a deal with Miami?


We should be wary of the Steelers, a team famous for letting free agents walk, not reach a deal with Wallace, but should not be concerned at all about the Packers not resigning a 30 year receiver who is developing a pattern of injuries.

WK13 Logic 101.


Our staff knows Jennings just a little bit better than they know Wallace don't you think Rich?

Dismissing a proven player in a familiar system. Rich Logic 101

As far as being wary of Wallace and the Steelers negotiations. What do you think it means when a team drops negotiations and forces a player to play out his contract? It usually means the player is bitching for more money and the team doesn't think he's worth what he's asking for.

I honestly think Wallace is going to get overpaid by someone, probably in the $9-11M range per season. I don't think he's worht it. I'd rather see the Dolphins go in a different direction, preferrably the draft.


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Our staff knows Jennings just a little bit better than they know Wallace don't you think Rich?


Ok, how does that help ensure he isn't going to get injured or decline given his age and his health the past two seasons?

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Dismissing a proven player in a familiar system. Rich Logic 101


Sorry but I haven't dismissed Jennings, you're the one dismissing Wallace. Take care when casting stones from a glass house.

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As far as being wary of Wallace and the Steelers negotiations. What do you think it means when a team drops negotiations and forces a player to play out his contract? It usually means the player is bitching for more money and the team doesn't think he's worth what he's asking for.


So why isn't Green Bay looking to bring Jennings back?

You have no problem with the Dolphins bringing in a 30 year old receiver who appears to be on the decline and is injury prone. At the same time, you are hoping the Dolphins do not bring back a 28 year old offensive tackle who appears to be on the decline and is injury prone.

And you have a huge problem with them bringing in a 25 year old burner who has put up big numbers and been relatively healthy.

Needless to say, your logic is lacking.... logic.

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Our staff knows Jennings just a little bit better than they know Wallace don't you think Rich?

Dismissing a proven player in a familiar system. Rich Logic 101

As far as being wary of Wallace and the Steelers negotiations. What do you think it means when a team drops negotiations and forces a player to play out his contract? It usually means the player is bitching for more money and the team doesn't think he's worth what he's asking for.
Has GB even tried to talk contract with Jennings? Why is that not a concern for you? At least the Steelers were interested enough to try & get Wallace signed. Can we say that about Jennings & GB?


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I honestly think Wallace is going to get overpaid by someone, probably in the $9-11M range per season. I don't think he's worht it. I'd rather see the Dolphins go in a different direction, preferrably the draft.

Just about all top FA get overpaid.


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Why would GB overpay for him when they have 3 guys who are performing and in a perfect position to grab a WR in the late 1st round? They are in a great situation.

If Jones still had drop issues then I'd think re-signing Jennings would be a priority. I don't think he's on a big decline but I also understand he probably isn't someone you bank on having as your alpha receiver for the next 6 or 7 seasons. If he can perform while a younger, drafted version of him develops then I'm fine with Miami giving him a 4 year contract.


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I thought I'd hang this out there.

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Still just 26 years old, Wallace figures to seek a four- to five-year deal worth in excess of $10 million per season. Last offseason, Wallace lobbied the Steelers to pay him Vincent Jackson money (five years, $55.555 million).


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5329/mike-wallace

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I thought I'd hang this out there.

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Still just 26 years old, Wallace figures to seek a four- to five-year deal worth in excess of $10 million per season. Last offseason, Wallace lobbied the Steelers to pay him Vincent Jackson money (five years, $55.555 million).


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5329/mike-wallace


Christmas for the Dolphins comes on March 12th at the press conference when Wallace holds up a Dolphins jersey after signing the above mentioned deal. Then resign Hartline and you have fixed your WR Corp for the next 5 years. No more hoping the draft brings what Miami needs. This is the year the offense gets the attention it needs.

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so is he predicting that we sign both Wallace and Jennings?

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Specifically, beat writer Armando Salguero expects the Dolphins to "work it" with both. Salguero had previously said he expected Wallace to be the Dolphins' main target, with Jennings "also in the mix." Most signs are pointing toward the Dolphins thinning this year's strong receiver crop soon after free agency begins on March 12.


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FYI, just read that Anquan Boldin's 4 year 29 million dollar deal (which he signed at same age Jennings is hitting) should be considered the negotiating point for Jennings. Honestly, that isn't bad at all and I'd be fine with Miami agreeing to something like that.


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FYI, just read that Anquan Boldin's 4 year 29 million dollar deal (which he signed at same age Jennings is hitting) should be considered the negotiating point for Jennings. Honestly, that isn't bad at all and I'd be fine with Miami agreeing to something like that.


Same here. I'd do that if I'm Miami.

4 years 30 million is my max going into it.


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Phins Rock wrote:
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FYI, just read that Anquan Boldin's 4 year 29 million dollar deal (which he signed at same age Jennings is hitting) should be considered the negotiating point for Jennings. Honestly, that isn't bad at all and I'd be fine with Miami agreeing to something like that.


Same here. I'd do that if I'm Miami.

4 years 30 million is my max going into it.


Depends on the structure of the contract


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