I would have been comfortable with about $8 mil guaranteed.
I think when we get the details of the contract, that's where the signing bonus will be around. Don't be misled by the "$12.5 million guaranteed" label. Some of those guarantees come in the form of bonuses outside of the signing bonus.
considering a No. 2 QB, is probably getting something around $2mil/yr
I don't mean to pick on you man, but I don't think you've caught up with the value of NFL players in 2013. You're stuck somewhere in 2006. According to a report issued by the NFL in 2010, the typical salary range for a #2 QB in the NFL was $2-$5 million a year.
So we can make an apples to apples comparison, let's look at the salaries for some of the top veteran back up QBs in the NFL for 2012. I excluded guys on their rookie contract because they are obviously going to be cheaper and it is an apples to oranges comparison. I also excluded Alex Smith because he was the opening day starter and Matt Flynn because he was supposed to be the starter.
Kyle Orton - $3.5 mil a year
Jason Campbell - $3.5 mil a year
Shaun Hill - $3 mil a year
Matt Hasselback - $5.5 mil a year
You can probably get a Matt Leinart or a Vince Young for less... but is that really what you want the team to do? THAT would be $2 million better spent elsewhere.
You're undervaluing our own players and failing to realize that every season the player contracts are supposed to get bigger. That was the point of the last CBA, to give the veteran players more and to keep rookie salaries reasonable.
I think you're going to be severely shocked when you start seeing some of the contracts being signed in free agency. It is what it is, man. The price teams play to keep or acquire veteran talent. You can't fix everything by letting holes open up and hoping you patch them up in the draft.
Rich, I'm not the only one who thinks $6M/yr, $12.5M guaranteed is a stretch for Hartline.
Omar Kelly wrote the following on 3/7/13........
My question is would Hartline have received a deal this sweet from another team? I have my doubts. So why did we need to sign him prior to talking with Jennings, Bouldin, Cruz, etc.? We know we're going in heavy for Wallace..........how nice would it have been to have him paired with one of those three.
I don't have a problem with signing Moore, but it's top level money for a No. 2. Considering Tannehill will likely be running more in 2013 and the Dolphins O-line issues, it's feasible he may go down at some point. If that happens, we know we can still win with Moore.