I think I've asked before but can Martin be a pulling RG? Thought he had the speed to do it.

Might answer one issue and allow Miami to still draft/trade for or sign a better option at LT.

I'm pretty sure they're looking at Winston to play RT. If that's the case then he's a great fit. He played for several years in Houston's zone blocking scheme. From that standpoint he should be a great fit.

Our staff is high on Martin and I believe they see him as a starting caliber LT.

I expect Martin to improve this season so long as he's allowed to get a full training camp and pre-season at LT. It was obvious last year the kid needed a season to bulk up and build some strength. Hopefully he's working on those things in the off-season and comes to camp ready to go.

He may have the ability to move to OG, but I don't see that happening. Martin was bought in to play tackle, and if the Dolphins lost Long in FA as they did, move him to OLT.

If the Dolphins sign Winston, and I think they will, the Jonathan is your new OLT. As Phins said, he is going to have to step up and step up BIG.

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Based on how aggressive Miami has been upgrading this offseason I can't see them chancing the protection of their key piece (Tannehill) unless they are certain Martin will do just as well as Long.

I wanted Winston badly last year, and I still want him! He's solid in both run and pass blocking.

Whats the hold up here? I've been waiting all day to hear "The Dolphins have agreed to terms with Winston" but instead we get this ambiguous remark on Rotoworld/Fox News from Ireland on Martin -

Can we just shore up the O-line with Winston & move ahead?

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Maybe we're still flirting with the idea of getting Albert from KC? I'm not sure.

Hopefully we go sign this guy soon to a short term deal. He obviously is a fit and from the sound of things he might actually want to come to Miami.

Things have been pretty quiet for the past couple of weeks. Hopefully we snatch up Winston and make a move to get Umenyora. If we land those two, we're in a good place going into the draft at every position outside of DB.

The Falcons are going to sign Umenyora...

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I would guess its all about the money at this point, and with no teams flying him in for a visit the FO feels they have the leverage to wait it out..

Hope he decides to take what they are offering, would be a nice addition at this point.

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I wish Miami would hurry up and sign a free agent offensive lineman. I really wish they would add Winston as he still can play at a decent level and add some much needed depth. I guess they are holding out to get him at their price/term. I am shocked that Miami has not signed someone yet especially as the other free agents O-lineman are starting to be re-signed elsewhere.

But they haven't yet. If the Dolphins want him, they had better make the move now and see if they can beat Atlanta's offer.

this is interesting

Source?

When a GM announces that they are in contract negotiations, it typically means they have agreed to general terms and are ironing out the details.

He's off the market.

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and this

Roto

Or you could wind up with a situation like Dumervil where the two sides sit down, hash out a contract, and then that agent and player use that deal as leverage with other teams.

Dumervil's agent was fired because of what happened with Denver.

There you go making things up again.

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I've made nothing up. Dumervil and the Broncos had a contract agreed upon prior to the time limit expiring. But due to Dumervil taking too long to fax it over to the Broncos, the Broncos cut him in order to protect themselves. Then after he became a free agent, he then fired his agent, got a new agent, and sat down with the Broncos again. The Broncos made an offer. Dumervil and his new agent then took that new offer and shopped it until the Ravens made him a better one. I fail to see how my example doesn't work Rich. Please explain how I've made something up.

His agent got fired. Lost a ton of money in commission from Dumervil and hurt his reputation, potentially losing a ton of money in the future.

I'm confused how you think "that agent" benefitted out of this.

I never said the first agent benefitted (althought that is yet to be determined as there is ongoing litigation). But the second one did.

If you look at my comment it's quite clear that I'm eluding to the second part of the negotiations with the new agent, not the first.

In addition, I never implied that Dumervils case was exactly like Winstons. Nobody would make that comparison.

I'm simply saying that after Dumervil became a free agent, the Broncos made him an offer, and that he and his new agent shopped that offer until they got a better one.

I believe that is what Winston is doing right now.

Do I really have to sit down and spell all of this out to you guys?

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Looking at the language used it is not hard to see where there is confusion. What is the most noted deal that Dumervil has been involved with lately?

Most (at least some?) would probably say the one in which his agent got fired. Both sides hashed out a deal which the only problem was timing in getting it done.

After he became a FA the Bronco's made several contract offers to Dumervil and like most free agents he shopped around and found the best offer for him. That sounds like normal contract negotiations for FA's and not something specific or unique to Dumervil.

While I know we need to be careful and not become to critical about word usage would most think of an offer and a deal as being the same or separate things?

What is the flippin hold up on getting Winston anyway?

Two perfect fits, so why can't they agree on a deal??

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I think you are both saying the same thing, but when you made the comment highlighted above, it made it seems as if Elvis was using one side against the other. Obviously any free agent is going to hear all offers and it is in his best interest to relate to the other team what other offers are on the table. This is no different than if you had two jobs you were interviewing for. I had the same thing happen to me 20 years ago. Elvis wasn't "PLAYING" one against the other, no more than any other FA would do, or anyone from any other job opening for that matter.

Bottom line is any FA is going to hear as many offers as he can hear and then go with the one he likes the best. It may have more to do with money and in some cases has something to do with some of the intangibles, like chance of winning SB, or climate, close to home, etc. I think you would have to admit a player would have to be pretty stupid to take the first offer he received when you had three other teams on the phone. Listen to them all and then make a decision. That isn't USING them, it is basic common sense.

I can't verify this, but I heard they were having a hard time finding an ink pen.

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So do you guys think Miami still has any interest in Winston after signing Lance Louis earlier this week? Or have the moved on?

A friend told me that he read (sorry for not having a printed source) that Winston is having trouble passing physicals due to some injury unknown to public. I understand its not a reliable report but it would make since as to why this guy has been sitting mostly idle on the market

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Are you thinking that Miami might use Lance at the OT position?

There was a rumor that the Dolphins might move Jerry to RT.

If true, that would make a lot of sense

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Along with Grimes he would be a decent signing and another piece to the real dream team.

I'd love to see it happen, I like Winston a lot

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