That's something brewing.......No more than a 3rd i hope...

That's something brewing.......No more than a 3rd i hope...

I think it ends up being the late 2nd rounder

Is Albert worth a 2nd round pick? Yes. Is he worth the pick and a big contract? Debatable. Is he worth it relative to other options that are and have been available? Probably not.

I think the Albert trade lacked a little bit of foresight by Miami. It's now a desperation move. Not necessarily a bad one, but still somewhat disappointing.

That said, if he comes in and solidifies the LT position, nobody should be complaining too much.

I think the fact the Chiefs are letting the Dolphins talk to Albert answers a question you had in the other thread about how trading for a franchise player affects the salary cap. If the Chiefs are letting the Dolphins talk to Albert, part of the reason obviously is to negotiate a deal.

If the Dolphins were going to take a $9.8 million hit AND additional cap hit from a long-term deal, they'd just take the $9.8 million hit and extend him for next year.

So obviously, signing him to a long-term deal negates the franchise tag cap hit.

I really don't know either way. That's just something I read yesterday somewhere. I'll see if I can find it.

But you're right, it wouldn't make sense to give him a signing bonus and minimum salary for 2013 on top of the 9.8. Unless there are different rules for franchised players.

If the Fins have been granted the ability to talk to Albert, it sounds as if the Dolphins and the Chiefs have a deal in place.

I'm very sure that it is for a 2nd round pick. Hopefully it will be for the late round pick.

He's a non-exclusive franchise player... doesn't that mean he can negotiate with other teams?

Is Albert worth a 2nd round pick? Yes. Is he worth the pick and a big contract? Debatable. Is he worth it relative to other options that are and have been available? Probably not.

I think the Albert trade lacked a little bit of foresight by Miami. It's now a desperation move. Not necessarily a bad one, but still somewhat disappointing.

That said, if he comes in and solidifies the LT position, nobody should be complaining too much.

I agree. I'm happy with that combo too.

But the way it looks to me is that Miami under estimated the cost of getting a LT in the draft. Both what it would cost to get one of the Big 3, and potentially what it would cost to get Armstead/Watson later. They now view Albert as the better option, but I don't see this as a move that Miami wanted to have to make a month ago.

Had they known it would be this difficult to get the LT position solidified in the draft I think they would have bumped up their offer to Long and brought him back. To me it doesn't make sense to leave a little bit of money left on the table with Long, and then turn around and give Albert that money plus the 2nd round pick to KC.

It makes sense now, but it didn't a month ago. That's why I think it lacked foresight and at this point is desperation. Not a bad move, like I said, but one that they feel they have to make at this point.

He's a non-exclusive franchise player... doesn't that mean he can negotiate with other teams?

Types of Franchise Tags
There are two types of franchise tag designations: the exclusive rights franchise tag, and non-exclusive rights franchise tag:

An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams. The player's team has all the negotiating rights to the exclusive player.

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position for the previous year, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is less. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.

JP, I think the Dolphins originally considered Brandon, but supposedly KC wanted a #1 for him when this began with Albert. The Dolphins wanted to sign Jake back, but I agree with them putting a value on a one time ELITE OLT that has been torn down by inuries.

I think they probably would have loved to look at getting one of those 3 tackles. But Miami is looking to come from outside the top 10, and you have teams all in the top 7 that possible could look at OL. The Dolphins wants multiple CB, OG, RB, DE, SS, TE and possibly another WR in this draft.

Now KC has dropped the demand to a 2nd, and I have read that they would be willing to take the Dolphins lower 2nd round pick.

If the Dolphins can get a proven, 28 year old OLT and just give up a pick, it makes sense to me. Yeah, you are going to have to pay him, but the Dolphins were also willing to pay Jake.

Andy Reid admits Dolphins can talk to Branden Albert's agent

The Branden Albert trade saga started to turn into a he said, she said soap opera on Thursday. But by nighttime things had calmed down.

A day after the Sun-Sentinel reported the Miami Dolphins and Kansas City Chiefs had begun serious talks about trading the veteran left tackle for a second-round pick, Chiefs coach Andy Reid told local reporters the Dolphins didn't have permission to talk to Albert's camp, which would prevent Miami from hammer out terms on a new contract.

However, during a Thursday night interview with ESPN, Reid admitted he "misspoke," and acknowledged that Albert's agent does have permission to negotiate with Dolphins executives on Albert's behalf.

"We haven't talked for days," Reid said, referring to dialog between Kansas City and the Dolphins. "That's a dead issue."

I'm pretty confident that a deal will get done between the two sides before the draft is over. It may not happen before day one, but I'm confident that it will get done and we will have our guy to protect Tanny's blindside

Mike Jurecki of XTRA Phoenix is "hearing" the Dolphins and Chiefs LT Branden Albert are negotiating a new contract.
Miami would send one of its two second-round picks -- either No. 42 or 54 overall -- Kansas City's way if a deal gets hammered out. We have no reason to believe one won't be agreed upon. Albert is likely seeking upwards of $8 million annually on a new deal. The Chiefs traded their original second-round pick to the 49ers as part of the Alex Smith trade. Jurecki is a local Arizona reporter, but he is a reliable source with good scoops.