All times are UTC-04:00


Phinfever Home Page

Phinfever Chatroom

Phinfever FAQ




Reply to topic  [ 31 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar
VIP Donor!
VIP Donor!

Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:17 am
Posts: 6729
Quote:
1. Kansas City Chiefs: My pick here is Central Michigan Eric Fisher. ...
2. Jacksonville Jaguars: The next best player on the board is Luke Joeckel ...
3. Oakland Raiders: This selection is easy. It’s defensive tackle Shariff Floyd of Florida, ...
4. Philadelphia Eagles: This is where the defensive player that intrigues me the most comes off the board. That’s Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan. ...
5. Detroit Lions: Let’s start with two questions - What is a greater position of need for the Lions, OT or CB? Which of those two positions has the higher rated player? For me, it’s OT. My pick is Oklahoma LT Lane Johnson. ...
6. Cleveland Browns: I’m selecting Notre Dame TE Tyler Eifert. Conventional wisdom says TE is not a position you take in the top ten. Two tight ends have been taken in the top ten in this decade, both at number six: Kellen Winslow in 2004, and Vernon Davis in 2006. I have written extensively about the increased value of the “Joker” TE in today’s NFL, and have talked to many defensive coordinators who have told me that matching up to “12” personnel (one back, two tight ends, and two wide receivers) is a real problem. Eifert is the most athletic TE in this draft class. I saw him split outside the numbers many times, and beat corners on vertical routes. Two things to keep in mind: Rob Chudzinski was the OC in Cleveland in 2007 when Winslow had 82 catches for 1,106 yards (the Browns won the AFC North that season), and new OC Norv Turner is a master at utilizing the TE, most recently Antonio Gates, but you can go all the way back to Jay Novacek with the Cowboys in the early 1990s.

7. Arizona Cardinals: West Virginia WR Tavon Austin. Most know at this point how I feel about Austin. Here’s how I described him in a previous column:

He aligned all over the formation, including in the backfield, and possesses an extraordinary combination of flash quickness, lateral explosion, stop and start acceleration and top end speed. He’s a live wire with the ball in his hands: shifty, elusive and unpredictable, with the ability to turn routine plays into impact, game changing masterpieces.

Now think about new head coach Bruce Arians. Last year in Indianapolis, he had rookie T.Y. Hilton, at 5-foot-9 and 183 pounds. Hilton played 61 percent of the Colts' snaps, had 861 receiving yards and 7 touchdowns. In addition, he averaged almost 12 yards per punt return, with another touchdown. Prior to that with the Steelers, Arians featured 5-foot-10, 186-pound Antonio Brown. In 2011, Arians last year in Pittsburgh, Brown had 69 catches for 1108 yards. Austin is more versatile, and more explosive than both Brown and Hilton.

8. Buffalo Bills: LSU DE/OLB Barkevious Mingo ...
9. New York Jets: The pick here is my number one guard in the draft, North Carolina's Jonathan Cooper. ...
10. Tennessee Titans: The next best offensive guard on the board is Alabama's Chance Warmack. ...
11. San Diego Chargers: The best combination of size, speed and athleticism at linebacker in this draft is Georgia's Alec Ogletree. ...
12. Miami Dolphins: Here’s where my top corner comes of the board. That would be D.J. Hayden of Houston. He’s the most physically gifted corner in this draft class. As I wrote in a recent column, “Cornering the Market”, Hayden has the most complete and impressive combination of sudden movement, change of direction, the ability to effectively play both press man and off coverage zone, a challenging and competitive playing temperament, and as an added dimension, his willingness to support in the run game with aggression. No corner has a more fluid and compact backpedal, with balance, body control and the quickest feet of any prospect in the draft.

13. New York Jets: My pick is Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones. ...
14. Carolina Panthers: Again, you have a team with a glaring need at a specific position, and a terrific prospect who can fill the void. Missouri defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson, ...
15. New Orleans Saints: My pick here is Utah defensive tackle Star Lotulelei. Lotulelei, based on overall skill set, could have easily been selected higher in my mock. ...
16. St. Louis Rams: Who will run the ball for the Rams? How about Alabama running back Eddie Lacy ...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... --nfl.html

Greg Cosell’s mock draft: Picks 17-32
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... --nfl.html


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:10 pm 
Offline
Phinfever Hall of Famer
Phinfever Hall of Famer

Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:17 pm
Posts: 770
CB is the deepest position in the draft..........we are not taking one at 12!


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Phinfever Blog Writer - Post Game
Phinfever Blog Writer - Post Game

Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:59 am
Posts: 26554
Location: Miami, FL
Phins Rock wrote:
But if you have a chance to get a top flight press man CB like Milliner, you can't pass that up. I think it's an easy choice if he's available.


The knock on CBs coming out of Saban's system is that Alabama plays a lot of zone. The knock on Milliner is that he gave up plays in man coverage and has a questionable back pedal.

_________________
Image


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:57 pm 
Offline
Phinfever Draft Guru
Phinfever Draft Guru

Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:10 pm
Posts: 10872
Location: MA
I didn't even notice that Milliner wasn't selected. I have to agree with PR, if Milliner is there Miami is racing to the podium.


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:00 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Phinfever Blog Writer - Post Game
Phinfever Blog Writer - Post Game

Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:59 am
Posts: 26554
Location: Miami, FL
Phins Rock wrote:
From everything I've seen he was primarily in man coverage.


Read Prico's latest column posted by swerve.

Also when Saban was here we ran a lot of zone.

_________________
Image


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:37 pm 
Offline
Phinfever Blog Writer - Wednesdays
Phinfever Blog Writer - Wednesdays

Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:34 am
Posts: 2982
Thanks, PR. Good stuff.


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:35 pm 
Offline
Phinfever Hall of Famer
Phinfever Hall of Famer

Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:05 am
Posts: 863
Location: Mount Vernon, Iowa
PR, are you concerned at all about Milliner's hands? I know that I am, but I'm not as much of a talent evaluator as some people

_________________
www.aspoonfulofsports.blogspot.com
www.aspoonfulofsports.com


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Phinfever Legend
Phinfever Legend

Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:14 pm
Posts: 5495
Location: Columbia, SC
cspooner13 wrote:
PR, are you concerned at all about Milliner's hands? I know that I am, but I'm not as much of a talent evaluator as some people


I would love to have Milliner in Miami, but ELITE CB have BALL SKILLS. That is what the young man seems to lack.

I like everything else that I see about him. Even with the fact that Nick Saban does play a lot of zone, I have seen him man up and look solid.

I think Hayden ball skills are better. I would be happy with either one.

_________________
Image


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:27 pm 
Offline
Phinfever Hall of Famer
Phinfever Hall of Famer

Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:05 am
Posts: 863
Location: Mount Vernon, Iowa
Maybe I'm just placing too much stock in what I saw at the combine and not enough in what the tape shows.

_________________
www.aspoonfulofsports.blogspot.com
www.aspoonfulofsports.com


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Phinfever Legend
Phinfever Legend

Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:14 pm
Posts: 5495
Location: Columbia, SC
I have been sitting here watching Path to the Draft and they had Mike Mayock on earlier. He said the main reason he moved Hayden ahead of Milliner was ball skills, and he thought Hayden was better.

He thought both guys were on a par in every other aspect of the game. Good in off man and press man and had awareness in zone coverage.

_________________
Image


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:09 pm 
Offline
Phinfever Hall of Famer
Phinfever Hall of Famer

Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:05 am
Posts: 863
Location: Mount Vernon, Iowa
I have to agree with Mayock, based upon what I have seen from the two of them.

_________________
www.aspoonfulofsports.blogspot.com
www.aspoonfulofsports.com


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:10 pm 
Offline
Phinfever Draft Anaylst
Phinfever Draft Anaylst

Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:52 am
Posts: 12575
Location: Lancaster, PA
phinsfansc wrote:
I have been sitting here watching Path to the Draft and they had Mike Mayock on earlier. He said the main reason he moved Hayden ahead of Milliner was ball skills, and he thought Hayden was better.

He thought both guys were on a par in every other aspect of the game. Good in off man and press man and had awareness in zone coverage.


of course he has better ball skills. He equaled Milliner's interception total and played in 17 fewer games than Milliner because of his heart injury. I don't know where this talk came from about Hayden not being good with the ball in the air. He has the quickest instincts of any corner about knowing when to break on an interception and he's also great at leaving his man to go after the ball for the easy interception.


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:13 pm 
Offline
Phinfever Draft Anaylst
Phinfever Draft Anaylst

Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:52 am
Posts: 12575
Location: Lancaster, PA
phinsfansc wrote:
I have been sitting here watching Path to the Draft and they had Mike Mayock on earlier. He said the main reason he moved Hayden ahead of Milliner was ball skills, and he thought Hayden was better.

He thought both guys were on a par in every other aspect of the game. Good in off man and press man and had awareness in zone coverage.



funny you say that Tony. This just came across the wire.

Quote:
Appearing on NFL 32 Monday, ESPN's Todd McShay suggested Alabama CB Dee Milliner "might fall a little bit" on draft day.
We've gotten the same vibe. McShay cited teams' concerns about Milliner's "durability" and "not elite ball skills." A Monday morning report suggested Milliner wouldn't even be ready for training camp following shoulder surgery. On Monday's Mort Report, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported Milliner's medical history includes a rod in his tibia near Milliner's ankle, a past knee scope, and hernia surgery. "There is some concern out there about Milliner and his medical history," Mortensen said. "And it's not misinformation, not trying to make a guy fall down (the draft) because all teams have this same information."


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:19 pm 
Offline
Phinfever Hall of Famer
Phinfever Hall of Famer

Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:05 am
Posts: 863
Location: Mount Vernon, Iowa
What are the numbers on their passes defensed (or broken up...whatever they call it in college)?

_________________
www.aspoonfulofsports.blogspot.com
www.aspoonfulofsports.com


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:06 am 
Offline
Phinfever Hall of Famer
Phinfever Hall of Famer

Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:05 am
Posts: 863
Location: Mount Vernon, Iowa
I'm almost equally impressed by the tackles he made in those clips. Not impressed with his hands though, he's got to be able to catch those.

_________________
www.aspoonfulofsports.blogspot.com
www.aspoonfulofsports.com


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:34 am 
Offline
Phinfever Hall of Famer
Phinfever Hall of Famer

Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:05 am
Posts: 863
Location: Mount Vernon, Iowa
Those are two big things for me. I love a corner who isn't afraid to come up and hit someone, it's why Antoine Winfield has always been one of my favorite corners, and you can't say enough for a guy who is mature, and I have a feeling that D.J. is going to be one of the most mature players in this draft. Having a life-threatening injury has a way of giving you some perspective on life.

_________________
www.aspoonfulofsports.blogspot.com
www.aspoonfulofsports.com


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:29 am 
Offline
Phinfever Draft Anaylst
Phinfever Draft Anaylst

Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:52 am
Posts: 12575
Location: Lancaster, PA
Phins Rock wrote:
swerve13 wrote:
phinsfansc wrote:
I have been sitting here watching Path to the Draft and they had Mike Mayock on earlier. He said the main reason he moved Hayden ahead of Milliner was ball skills, and he thought Hayden was better.

He thought both guys were on a par in every other aspect of the game. Good in off man and press man and had awareness in zone coverage.


of course he has better ball skills. He equaled Milliner's interception total and played in 17 fewer games than Milliner because of his heart injury. I don't know where this talk came from about Hayden not being good with the ball in the air. He has the quickest instincts of any corner about knowing when to break on an interception and he's also great at leaving his man to go after the ball for the easy interception.


So interception numbers is the measure of a player's ball skills? Ok then....

:hithead: what else does a corner do with the ball? throw it?
If NFL draft experts say he has better ball skills than Milliner I'll take their word for it.
They get paid to know that, we don't.


Last edited by swerve13 on Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:38 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:35 am 
Offline
Phinfever Draft Anaylst
Phinfever Draft Anaylst

Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:52 am
Posts: 12575
Location: Lancaster, PA
Quote:
Defensive Back Ball Skills:
Your goal as a Great Cornerback is to blanket any man you cover or any man in your zone and intercept the ball. This means that, just like a receiver, it is your job to catch anything thrown your way. You have to work on your ball skills, and there are several drills and tools you can use to snatch turnovers from the opposing team.


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:33 am 
Offline
User avatar
Phinfever Blog Writer - Post Game
Phinfever Blog Writer - Post Game

Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:59 am
Posts: 26554
Location: Miami, FL
swerve13 wrote:
what else does a corner do with the ball? throw it?


Way to avoid getting condescending.

I thought you were big on respectful disagreements... but I digress.

Pass break ups would be a part of that ball skill equation as well.

Similar to QB hurries and sacks for pass rushers.

_________________
Image


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:21 pm 
Offline
Phinfever Draft Anaylst
Phinfever Draft Anaylst

Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:52 am
Posts: 12575
Location: Lancaster, PA
Rich wrote:
swerve13 wrote:
what else does a corner do with the ball? throw it?


Way to avoid getting condescending.

I thought you were big on respectful disagreements... but I digress.

Pass break ups would be a part of that ball skill equation as well.

Similar to QB hurries and sacks for pass rushers.


Not even close to as disrespectful you get with people here Richie.
My response was of the typical Phinfever variety.


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:29 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Phinfever Blog Writer - Post Game
Phinfever Blog Writer - Post Game

Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:59 am
Posts: 26554
Location: Miami, FL
swerve13 wrote:
Not even close to as disrespectful you get with people here Richie.
My response was of the typical Phinfever variety.


Yeah, how convenient. In one thread, you condescend to people and then act shocked and indignant when they respond in kind.

And in another thread you preach about having civilized disagreements.

You're all over the place. I guess the name swerve fits you well. You must have been drunk when you posted that garbage about liking civilized disagreements...

_________________
Image


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:34 pm 
Offline
Phinfever Draft Anaylst
Phinfever Draft Anaylst

Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:52 am
Posts: 12575
Location: Lancaster, PA
seriously dude, you need to stop obsessing about me.
It's not healthy.
:)


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Phinfever Blog Writer - Post Game
Phinfever Blog Writer - Post Game

Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:59 am
Posts: 26554
Location: Miami, FL
Image

_________________
Image


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:38 pm 
Offline
Phinfever Draft Anaylst
Phinfever Draft Anaylst

Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:52 am
Posts: 12575
Location: Lancaster, PA
need to find a better outlet for your life anger than bullying people on Phinfever.
Try Lawn darts or bowling. Get it all out Rich.


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:39 pm 
Offline
Phinfever Draft Anaylst
Phinfever Draft Anaylst

Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:52 am
Posts: 12575
Location: Lancaster, PA
Phins Rock wrote:
Meanwhile, in the debate that had actual substance between Phins Rock and swerve....


Very True. Before somebody derailed another thread.


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:40 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Phinfever Blog Writer - Post Game
Phinfever Blog Writer - Post Game

Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:59 am
Posts: 26554
Location: Miami, FL
Phins Rock wrote:
Meanwhile, in the debate that had actual substance between Phins Rock and swerve....


Did not realize that him ridiculing your post was actual substance.

_________________
Image


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:44 pm 
Offline
Phinfever Global Moderator
Phinfever Global Moderator

Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:24 am
Posts: 4095
I'm starting to like Hayden more and more to be honest.

Idk about your view of Milliners ball skills though, PR. Every draft expert out there has had a concern about his ball skills... but I don't really know for sure... NFL.com's scouting report says no such thing...

If we do pass on a corner in round 1... does anyone like this Robert Alford kid?

Draftcountdown.com has him listed as their #1 sleeper of this draft.


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:59 pm 
Offline
Phinfever Hall of Famer
Phinfever Hall of Famer

Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:05 am
Posts: 863
Location: Mount Vernon, Iowa
Remind me who Charles Tillman played against at Louisiana-Lafayette. Who did Tramon Williams play against at La Tech?

_________________
www.aspoonfulofsports.blogspot.com
www.aspoonfulofsports.com


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:16 pm 
Offline
Phinfever Hall of Famer
Phinfever Hall of Famer

Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:05 am
Posts: 863
Location: Mount Vernon, Iowa
It's not a bigger risk at all in my opinion. There are just as many players at big schools that can't actually play a lick as there are at a small school. It just means that you have to go out and find them. I'm tired of hearing the argument "He played at a small school, he can't play at this level" because it just doesn't hold up when you look at it. If a guy can play, he can play. Regardless of the competition he faced

_________________
www.aspoonfulofsports.blogspot.com
www.aspoonfulofsports.com


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:17 am 
Offline
Phinfever Draft Anaylst
Phinfever Draft Anaylst

Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:52 am
Posts: 12575
Location: Lancaster, PA
Rich wrote:
Phins Rock wrote:
Meanwhile, in the debate that had actual substance between Phins Rock and swerve....


Did not realize that him ridiculing your post was actual substance.


you keep trying to create a fight between me and Rock that just isn't there.
We can disagree without insulting each other's character.

You're so quick to label everything I say as an insult yet I see post after post from you making fun of Kloiber's ideas and opinions. So who's the real hypocrite?


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:21 am 
Offline
Phinfever Draft Anaylst
Phinfever Draft Anaylst

Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:52 am
Posts: 12575
Location: Lancaster, PA
IamPZ wrote:
I'm starting to like Hayden more and more to be honest.

Idk about your view of Milliners ball skills though, PR. Every draft expert out there has had a concern about his ball skills... but I don't really know for sure... NFL.com's scouting report says no such thing...

If we do pass on a corner in round 1... does anyone like this Robert Alford kid?

Draftcountdown.com has him listed as their #1 sleeper of this draft.


PZ yesterday there was rumor of him being a surprise 1st rounder. I've heard lots of gifted ability but lacks between the ears.


Top
   
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic  [ 31 posts ] 

All times are UTC-04:00


Phinfever Home Page

Phinfever Chatroom

Phinfever FAQ


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 24 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited | Chopped and modified by Coots | Original design by Prosk8r