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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:46 pm 
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Really interesting tweets from Darlington.

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On Mar 12, after Dolphins landed Mike Wallace, I tweeted about team's "intriguing" draft plans. Many have asked for weeks about that tweet.

I feel comfortable now sharing: That plan, at that time, involved the pursuit of Tavon Austin. It was a hope all the way until yesterday.

When Dolphins realized they couldn't get Austin, rather than hitting brakes, Ireland put his foot on the gas pedal… and got Jordan instead.

More on Miami: They also coveted Tavon Austin but knew Bills wanted to trade to Rams outside division. So they took a shot at trade to 3...

So Jeff Ireland took a shot. He called Oakland to see if he could trade up to get best player on his entire board -- even ahead of Tavon...

Ireland knew Oakland wanted Hayden, who was likely to be around at No. 12. So he made his pitch to Raiders. And… they bit on the trade.

Ireland couldn't move up to get Austin… so he moved up even more to get Jordan.

Both. RT @ATLGreg1: So did Austin price himself out of their interest or did possibility of Jordan only become a reality yesterday?


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I am glad it worked out the way it did. Austin would have been a luxury pick. Pass rusher was a legit need.

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Well, kudos to our draft guru Tone who defended Travis Austin until his fingers bled.

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Well, kudos to our draft guru Tone who defended Travis Austin until his fingers bled.

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Sick 'em, Tony!!


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this doesnt make any sense. They wanted Austin but knew they couldn't get him??? We moved up to 3, we could have had him.


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swerve13 wrote:
this doesnt make any sense. They wanted Austin but knew they couldn't get him??? We moved up to 3, we could have had him.

They wanted Jordan more.


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swerve13 wrote:
this doesnt make any sense. They wanted Austin but knew they couldn't get him??? We moved up to 3, we could have had him.


Yes it does. They had Austin targeted as the best pick they could get at 12 until it looked like he would go higher. I'm sure they had Fisher, Joekel, and Jordan ranked 1 thru 3, but thought they couldn't get that high...


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Apparently they had Jordan ranked higher on their board than both Fisher and Joeckel

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this doesnt make any sense. They wanted Austin but knew they couldn't get him??? We moved up to 3, we could have had him.



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Finfansc posted this some time ago...And it was fluffed off as smoke and mirrors

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This from NFLDraftIndiser..(NFL Draft Bites)


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#Dolphins have engaged Raiders & Browns in preliminary discussions about trading up. Targeting an Offensive Tackle or Dee Milliner.


Should bring a smile to some of your faces.......


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I'm so glad it played out the way it did. Austin would have been a mistake in my opinion. Jordan on the other hand is a game changer that fills two areas of need. He provides us with a stand-up Sam linebacker that can cover down, stop the run, and pass rush off the edge on 1st and 2nd down. He also gives us a defensive end that can put his hand in the dirt and get after the quarterback on 3rd down. While Austin is a dynamic slot receiver, that's all he'll ever be, a slot receiver. Jordan is simply a more impactful prospect in my opinion.


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While Austin is a dynamic slot receiver, that's all he'll ever be, a slot receiver. Jordan is simply a more impactful prospect in my opinion.


And a running back... and a return man...

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I'm so glad it played out the way it did. Austin would have been a mistake in my opinion. Jordan on the other hand is a game changer that fills two areas of need. He provides us with a stand-up Sam linebacker that can cover down, stop the run, and pass rush off the edge on 1st and 2nd down. He also gives us a defensive end that can put his hand in the dirt and get after the quarterback on 3rd down. While Austin is a dynamic slot receiver, that's all he'll ever be, a slot receiver. Jordan is simply a more impactful prospect in my opinion.


Better than taking an OT...Big 3?

When i saw they moved up i was pissed..Thought it was going to be a lineman


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While Austin is a dynamic slot receiver, that's all he'll ever be, a slot receiver. Jordan is simply a more impactful prospect in my opinion.


And a running back... and a return man...


I don't think he'll be put in the backfield all that often. He'll definitely be used in the return game though

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While Austin is a dynamic slot receiver, that's all he'll ever be, a slot receiver. Jordan is simply a more impactful prospect in my opinion.


And a running back... and a return man...


I don't think he'll be put in the backfield all that often. He'll definitely be used in the return game though


They'll use him on end arounds and in motion a lot I bet. And hide him in the backfield on third downs.

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You're a fool if you don't try to utilize him on end arounds.

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While Austin is a dynamic slot receiver, that's all he'll ever be, a slot receiver. Jordan is simply a more impactful prospect in my opinion.


And a running back... and a return man...


Yes, in the long and distinguished tradition of successful players nicknamed "Slash"


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While Austin is a dynamic slot receiver, that's all he'll ever be, a slot receiver. Jordan is simply a more impactful prospect in my opinion.


And a running back... and a return man...


Don't forget that he can go deep.


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While Austin is a dynamic slot receiver, that's all he'll ever be, a slot receiver. Jordan is simply a more impactful prospect in my opinion.


And a running back... and a return man...


Don't forget that he can go deep.


We just paid a dude huge cheese to go deep. A pass rusher was a legit need. Wake needed help as teams were scheming against him. With another guy that can rush the passer, they can't slide the whole line to Wake. If you want to beat the Patriots, you have to do two things.

You have to get to Tom Brady early and often. Move him off his spot, or, preferably, put him on the ground. And then you have to make sure that you can still score more points. But you have to beat Tom Brady before you can beat the Patriots. Another pass rusher will bring us a long way towards doing that.

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While Austin is a dynamic slot receiver, that's all he'll ever be, a slot receiver. Jordan is simply a more impactful prospect in my opinion.


And a running back... and a return man...


How he'll be used remains to be seen. I seriously doubt they'll have him coming out of the backfield often. They don't want that little frame getting squished by the linemen up front. He won't last long if they use him like that. But I agree that he'll contribute on special teams. Also, it remains to be seen if he will be able to handle the hits he'll have to absorb over the middle. Not everyone can take hits like Welker over the middle. All it takes is one linebacker that wants to make a point and the guy is knocked out of the game. Make no mistake, his toughness will be tested.


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wkloiber13 wrote:
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While Austin is a dynamic slot receiver, that's all he'll ever be, a slot receiver. Jordan is simply a more impactful prospect in my opinion.


And a running back... and a return man...


How he'll be used remains to be seen. I seriously doubt they'll have him coming out of the backfield often. They don't want that little frame getting squished by the linemen up front. He won't last long if they use him like that. But I agree that he'll contribute on special teams. Also, it remains to be seen if he will be able to handle the hits he'll have to absorb over the middle. Not everyone can take hits like Welker over the middle. All it takes is one linebacker that wants to make a point and the guy is knocked out of the game. Make no mistake, his toughness will be tested.


You know, I'm not as worried about that as I thought I would be. Looking at his tape, he has a pretty amazing ability to bounce off tacklers. Granted, it's far superior athletes at the NFL level, but not a lot of good, form tackling anymore.

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wkloiber13 wrote:
I'm so glad it played out the way it did. Austin would have been a mistake in my opinion. Jordan on the other hand is a game changer that fills two areas of need. He provides us with a stand-up Sam linebacker that can cover down, stop the run, and pass rush off the edge on 1st and 2nd down. He also gives us a defensive end that can put his hand in the dirt and get after the quarterback on 3rd down. While Austin is a dynamic slot receiver, that's all he'll ever be, a slot receiver. Jordan is simply a more impactful prospect in my opinion.


Austin would have been a great pick, and the final weapon in the fin's arsenal.
But boom or bust, Jordan is a pick, you can't say no to...
We got better on offense, but we should have one of the best defenses in the league now!


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We just paid a dude huge cheese to go deep. A pass rusher was a legit need. Wake needed help as teams were scheming against him. With another guy that can rush the passer, they can't slide the whole line to Wake. If you want to beat the Patriots, you have to do two things.

You have to get to Tom Brady early and often. Move him off his spot, or, preferably, put him on the ground. And then you have to make sure that you can still score more points. But you have to beat Tom Brady before you can beat the Patriots. Another pass rusher will bring us a long way towards doing that.[/quote]

You can never have too many weapons on offense.


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The only team ranked outside the top half in defense to make the playoffs was Washington.

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We just paid a dude huge cheese to go deep. A pass rusher was a legit need. Wake needed help as teams were scheming against him. With another guy that can rush the passer, they can't slide the whole line to Wake. If you want to beat the Patriots, you have to do two things.

You have to get to Tom Brady early and often. Move him off his spot, or, preferably, put him on the ground. And then you have to make sure that you can still score more points. But you have to beat Tom Brady before you can beat the Patriots. Another pass rusher will bring us a long way towards doing that.


You can never have too many weapons on offense.[/quote]

And you can never have too many guys that can get to Tom Brady. Before Jordan, we only had 1.

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We just paid a dude huge cheese to go deep. A pass rusher was a legit need. Wake needed help as teams were scheming against him. With another guy that can rush the passer, they can't slide the whole line to Wake. If you want to beat the Patriots, you have to do two things.

You have to get to Tom Brady early and often. Move him off his spot, or, preferably, put him on the ground. And then you have to make sure that you can still score more points. But you have to beat Tom Brady before you can beat the Patriots. Another pass rusher will bring us a long way towards doing that.


You can never have too many weapons on offense.


And you can never have too many guys that can get to Tom Brady. Before Jordan, we only had 1.[/quote]

Don't get me wrong, I love the Jordan pick and well aware to beat Brady, we need to rush him furiously (As the Giants did.) I'm also well aware NE's plan these days is to outscore you as fast as possible.

Not sure which player Austin or Jordan will prove to be the better pick in the long run. But, as history is proving, offense wins the SuperBowl. Wallace is great, but we could use more...


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cspooner13 wrote:
The only team ranked outside the top half in defense to make the playoffs was Washington.


I agree, offense is what wins. I think we need one more playmaker to get there... but we are so close...

D Jordan was too good to pass up though. And i do remember how good SF was on defense this year. The SB could have gone either way...


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The only team ranked outside the top half in defense to make the playoffs was Washington.


I agree, offense is what wins. I think we need one more playmaker to get there... but we are so close...

D Jordan was too good to pass up though. And i do remember how good SF was on defense this year. The SB could have gone either way...



I thought it was pretty clear that Defense wins, actually.

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