Chancey Allen Luna, 16, and James Francis Edwards Jr., 15 have been charged with first-degree murder over the fatal shooting in Duncan, Oklahoma. Michael Dewayne Jones, 17, was charged with using a vehicle in the discharge of a weapon and with accessory to first-degree murder after the fact. ...

It comes a day after Duncan Police Chief Danny Ford said he had secured the confession of Jones who had summoned investigators to his jail cell and claimed they were bored "so they decided to kill somebody".

Chief Ford said the teens had no motive other than to ''make a name for themselves''. ..

I agree Jammer, If you are on welfare, you lose your right to vote. It's a conflict of interest.

I agree Jammer, If you are on welfare, you lose your right to vote. It's a conflict of interest.

I agree Jammer, If you are on welfare, you lose your right to vote. It's a conflict of interest.

I agree Jammer, If you are on welfare, you lose your right to vote. It's a conflict of interest.

Yeah that's what I mean, come on now. The people that the Gov't gives money to for votes, ie
; welfare. The people that really need it sure, but for the most part, it's out of control. So yes, their right to vote should be taken away.

Yeah that's what I mean, come on now. The people that the Gov't gives money to for votes, ie
; welfare. The people that really need it sure, but for the most part, it's out of control. So yes, their right to vote should be taken away.

Compare that to the amount of votes that can be denied due to the laws.

I guess the funny business doesn't apply to only one side of the equation as some in this thread would have us think...

jammer, I was voting in a heavily Democratic precinct during the 2012 election. There was like one Romney sign amidst a sea of Obama posters. Valerie Jarrett even made an appearance at the precinct, though almost no one knew who she was.

There were workers at the precinct talking to people in line and then moving them to the front of the line. These weren't people with disabilities and I couldn't say for sure who they were voting for, but if I had to guess, it wasn't for Romney. Someone in line claimed he heard one of the poll workers asking the people in line who they were going to vote for and if they said Obama, they got moved to the front of the line. There were complains filed regarding this incident, but as far as I know, nothing was ever done.

I guess the funny business doesn't apply to only one side of the equation as some in this thread would have us think...

For example, in Pennsylvania

Dems got 50.7 percent, Republicans got 49.3

Dems got 5 seats. Republicans got 13.

Not a problem?

How difficult is it to show a valid form of ID at a voting precinct?

The fact that there is even an argument against proving your identify to vote is astonishing to me.

I'm sorry but I find this to be a very weak argument. The reasoning behind this most often is that said people cannot get to a registry to get their identification aka its too hard. Yet somehow they find their way to the polling booth every two years via community services. So please, spare me the its not fair argument.

Sorry, but MA does the same thing to unnecessarily separate Republican leaning towns that are otherwise next to each other. Its why there hasn't been a Republican rep in 20 plus years. You're not getting my sympathy on this one.

I can tell you from first hand experience, not some article I read, that Republicans had an army of attorneys ready to go during the Scott Brown election in 2010 for the seat previously occupied by Ted Kennedy. My friend worked for the Republican governor of Rhode Island and on election day told me that they were helping to provide legal help for anyone who was denied the ability to vote for Brown. Stories got out about the Democratic Campaign crew bussing in people to vote for the opponent Martha Coakley I was told to call if I had any problems or witnessed fraudulent activity(thankfully I didn't).

The fact that this is even possible is bad enough and evidence enough that simple ID checks are a solution.

jammer, I was voting in a heavily Democratic precinct during the 2012 election. There was like one Romney sign amidst a sea of Obama posters. Valerie Jarrett even made an appearance at the precinct, though almost no one knew who she was.

There were workers at the precinct talking to people in line and then moving them to the front of the line. These weren't people with disabilities and I couldn't say for sure who they were voting for, but if I had to guess, it wasn't for Romney. Someone in line claimed he heard one of the poll workers asking the people in line who they were going to vote for and if they said Obama, they got moved to the front of the line. There were complains filed regarding this incident, but as far as I know, nothing was ever done.

I guess the funny business doesn't apply to only one side of the equation as some in this thread would have us think...

According to the study, there is an estimated 11% of Americans who do not have a current, valid, gov't issued photo ID. That would equal about 20 million Americans.

The groups most affected by this are the elderly, minorities, poor, and young adults.

Crooked poll workers, while a problem, have nothing to do with the topic at hand. (Voter ID/FRAUD)

http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/d/download_file_39242.pdf

According to the study

Washington, D.C. - A new report from the National Center for Public Policy Research finds the Brennan Center for Justice - one of the country's loudest opponents of voter integrity measures - to have a history of bias-driven research.

The report also discloses that the Brennan Center has received millions in funding from George Soros.

How Widespread is Voter Fraud? | 2012 Facts & Figures
Here are the facts:
•To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.
•More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.
•There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.
•More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.
•True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.
•Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths.
•This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states.
◦California: 49,000
◦Florida: 30,000
◦Texas: 28,500
◦Michigan: 25,000
◦Illinois: 24,000
•12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents.
•The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.
•Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration.
•The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud.

Remember the video showing the son of Democrat Jim Moran telling the reporter how to commit voter fraud, saying it is as easy as forging a utility bill to prove identify?

Nothing to see here...

Ok, well they are able to go out and vote so they should be able to go out and acquire a voter ID.

2068 cases of voter fraud? I find that highly unlikely. There is no way a system with so many different methods of voting (machines, punch ballots, etc) and with so many partisans entrenched in the system has such a near perfect system.

In a pretrial document released by the ACLU, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, represented by the state Attorney General’s Office, could not identify any cases of voter impersonation at the polls. . . Leading up to the trial, the state said it would offer no evidence that “in-person voter fraud has in fact occurred in Pennsylvania or elsewhere” or that “in-person voter fraud is likely to occur in November 2012 in the absence of a photo ID law.” Pennsylvania officials, who responded to the News21 public record requests, also reported no cases of Election Day voter-impersonation fraud since 2000.

http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-wid ... ts-figures

Generic liberal response - Nothing to see here... move along.

But if it were an honest liberal response - the ends justify the means - Saul Alinsky.

Washington, D.C. - A new report from the National Center for Public Policy Research finds the Brennan Center for Justice - one of the country's loudest opponents of voter integrity measures - to have a history of bias-driven research.

The report also discloses that the Brennan Center has received millions in funding from George Soros. http://www.nationalcenter.org/PR-Brenna ... 72612.html

84, I agreed there is gerrymandering but you of course made it negative against Republicans. That was my counter to your argument that the Dems got screwed in PA.

Just because you posted a biased statistic about voter fraud doesn't equate to its virtual nonexistence. Again if people can get out to vote they can get out for an ID as well. Its about having fair elections.

If it means providing a free ride and paying for the ID it will get done

ANd/or giving food stamps/EBT cards and other enabling programs they will get it done as well. As far as voter fraud goes, why is it such an issue to show proper ID to vote? Just answer that 1984. Forget stats, articles, spin zone ETC. Why is showing an ID to vote such a big deal?

Now, guarantee me that all 100% of them get the ID, and I'm good.