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Mike Silver on NFL Network said this morning that in league circles, Jeff Ireland and Joe Philbin are not expected to survive this mess.

Made it sound like Ireland is especially good as gone already.


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Made it sound like Ireland is especially good as gone already.


No joke, the "Hallelujah" chorus just played in my head the second after I read that. Let's be honest, is there ANY GM in the league that has received such poor draft production as him? It's pathetic, he could've signed Calvin Johnson and AJ Green on $3m contracts a piece and he should still be fired because of his disastrous drafts. I know for a fact people on this freaking board could have done a better job on draft day than him. It's sad.

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Have they concluded the investigation yet?

Or is this just speculation?


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Have they concluded the investigation yet?

Or is this just speculation?


He made it sound like it's the speculation of other NFL teams.


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Now, according to NFL.com's Mike Silver, neither Philbin nor Ireland "are expected to survive this."

Scandals always have scapegoats and the coach and GM could be just that in Miami. But it's also fair to ask why Philbin didn't have a better handle on the day-to-day goings-on of his team. One league source told CBSSports.com that even if Philbin didn't know the particulars of Incognito's relationship with Martin, the assistant coaches certainly did.

For now, the Dolphins are remaining tight-lipped while the NFL conducts its investigation.


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Post Re: Mike Silver: Ireland and Philbin expected to be fired
Well whether thats actually true or not, unfortunately when the media starts talking about it enough its only a matter of time.

Shame really. I'm not sure Philbin did anything wrong but turning a blind eye is essentially blowing an opportunity to make things better. But even if he did who in the world decided this was a more punishment worth offense than bounty gate, spygate, & any number of other teams locker room issues?

I've tried to stay positive about Ireland for a long time. He has done some decent things for this organization but he hasn't grown or developed as a leader or a manager. I think hes holding this franchise back & I'm sick of feeling like we constantly have to dig out of the hole.

Theres really only two reasons a GM should come up in conversation; if hes making good or bad moves. He made a bunch of good ones this offseason but it didn't change who he is or how he conducts himself.

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like i said a week ago, Martin may have done us a favor.....this could be a blessing in disguise.


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So if they make the playoffs............they're still fired?


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Well whether thats actually true or not, unfortunately when the media starts talking about it enough its only a matter of time.

Shame really. I'm not sure Philbin did anything wrong but turning a blind eye is essentially blowing an opportunity to make things better. But even if he did who in the world decided this was a more punishment worth offense than bounty gate, spygate, & any number of other teams locker room issues?

I've tried to stay positive about Ireland for a long time. He has done some decent things for this organization but he hasn't grown or developed as a leader or a manager. I think hes holding this franchise back & I'm sick of feeling like we constantly have to dig out of the hole.

Theres really only two reasons a GM should come up in conversation; if hes making good or bad moves. He made a bunch of good ones this offseason but it didn't change who he is or how he conducts himself.


good post. That's about how I feel about the situation too. We can do better I believe.


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I can see Philbin surviving this thing. Man , what could have been. WE are playing a winless team this week & we are the bigger joke.

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I wonder if Tannehill and the offense come out and play with their hair on fire now.


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I wonder if Tannehill and the offense come out and play with their hair on fire now.


Its Tampa ...they better not lose this game or I can see firings on the short plane ride home.

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The pats handled their situation with Hernandez better than the Dolphins have handeled Martin and Incognito.

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The pats handled their situation with Hernandez better than the Dolphins have handeled Martin and Incognito.


This situation is on another level from what the Patriots had to deal with. And they did get criticism for not saying a whole lot of the Hernandez situation and trying to be quiet on it.

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The pats handled their situation with Hernandez better than the Dolphins have handeled Martin and Incognito.


This situation is on another level from what the Patriots had to deal with. And they did get criticism for not saying a whole lot of the Hernandez situation and trying to be quiet on it.


I think it got to be on another level BECAUSE the Dolphins didn't deal with it correctly.

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Post Re: Mike Silver: Ireland and Philbin expected to be fired
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phinsfansc wrote:
rodneyfaile wrote:
The pats handled their situation with Hernandez better than the Dolphins have handeled Martin and Incognito.


This situation is on another level from what the Patriots had to deal with. And they did get criticism for not saying a whole lot of the Hernandez situation and trying to be quiet on it.


I think it got to be on another level BECAUSE the Dolphins didn't deal with it correctly.


What didnt they deal with?


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Post Re: Mike Silver: Ireland and Philbin expected to be fired
What didnt they deal with?


Exactly, since this debacle was brought out by the big weirdo puss Martin, The Dolphins have complied and it isn't there fault that the NFL has slowed down their side of the investigation process. As soon as Martin and Incognito get interviewed by the league, I expect a swift decision to go into place.

It is a shame though that it is dragging until the end of next week and that is just the report I have seen about meeting with Martin's side, not sure when Incognito is set to meet with the league investigators.


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I can see Philbin surviving this thing. Man , what could have been. WE are playing a winless team this week & we are the bigger joke.

Unfortunately Miami has been nothing but a joke since Jacksonville January 15, 2000.


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Post Re: Mike Silver: Ireland and Philbin expected to be fired
The problem is that even though Incognito may be exonerated for this, a whole bunch of other stuff about him came out, including the golf outing that probably should have been reported to the NFL and his off-the-field fights. That Dolphins management knew about these and did nothing, rather decided to cover it all up, speaks volumes about how the team is run, and in the end, that would be one of the reasons to fire Ireland. Well, that and his inability to meld "talent" together into a team. What was that saying about Watergate again? It wasn't the crime, but rather the cover-up that did Nixon in?


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The problem is that even though Incognito may be exonerated for this, a whole bunch of other stuff about him came out, including the golf outing that probably should have been reported to the NFL and his off-the-field fights. That Dolphins management knew about these and did nothing, rather decided to cover it all up, speaks volumes about how the team is run, and in the end, that would be one of the reasons to fire Ireland. Well, that and his inability to meld "talent" together into a team. What was that saying about Watergate again? It wasn't the crime, but rather the cover-up that did Nixon in?


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The problem is that even though Incognito may be exonerated for this, a whole bunch of other stuff about him came out, including the golf outing that probably should have been reported to the NFL and his off-the-field fights. That Dolphins management knew about these and did nothing, rather decided to cover it all up, speaks volumes about how the team is run, and in the end, that would be one of the reasons to fire Ireland. Well, that and his inability to meld "talent" together into a team. What was that saying about Watergate again? It wasn't the crime, but rather the cover-up that did Nixon in?


The golf outing was reported to the NFL according to this report.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -incident/

The Phins said they did do something about the golf incident but have declined to say what it is that they did. No suspension from games obviously but do we have all of the facts about that yet would be my question.

What off the field fights were not reported to the NFL and which the Phins did nothing about and covered them up?


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According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, Incognito was summoned to the league office prior to the 2012 season to discuss off-field incidents that apparently never made it to the public eye. (One of those incidents surely related to the golf-course incident that came to light this week.)

Schefter also reports that Incognito was involved in a June 2013 fight at a night club. Incognito reportedly punched bouncer Carlos Joseph (the brother of former NFL defensive tackle William Joseph), Incognito was punched as well, and security cameras showed Incognito spitting out blood.

And lets not forget that Incognito allegedly punched and knocked out a security guard at an incident before the start of 2013 training camp.

These past incidents quite likely will be used by the Dolphins to support the suspension of Incognito as the straw that broke the camels back.


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According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, Incognito was summoned to the league office prior to the 2012 season to discuss off-field incidents that apparently never made it to the public eye. (One of those incidents surely related to the golf-course incident that came to light this week.)

Schefter also reports that Incognito was involved in a June 2013 fight at a night club. Incognito reportedly punched bouncer Carlos Joseph (the brother of former NFL defensive tackle William Joseph), Incognito was punched as well, and security cameras showed Incognito spitting out blood.

And lets not forget that Incognito allegedly punched and knocked out a security guard at an incident before the start of 2013 training camp.

These past incidents quite likely will be used by the Dolphins to support the suspension of Incognito as the straw that broke the camels back.


So one of them surely was the golf incident even though another source said that it had been reported to the league. I guess that it is so then.

EDIT: So it did not make it to the public eye does not mean it was not reported to the NFL office and does makes sense they would talk to him about it. It does not mean that the Phins hid the incident from the NFL even if it was kept from the public.

I think one incident is being counted as two here.

The 2013 security guard incident, is that the one where Incognito had injuries but that the guy he supposedly knocked out had none according to the police report and where he was the one who called the police in and in which others backed up his story that he did not throw a punch?

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Dolphins left guard Richie Incognito received a trespassing warning on June 10th after an alleged fight with a security guard at Club Liv in Miami Beach, according to a police report first obtained by The Palm Beach Post.

Incognito and some friends got into a skirmish with Carlos Joseph, a security guard who has the same name and birth date as the former University of Miami and NFL right tackle. Joseph played for UM from 2001-2004 and was on San Diego and Jacksonville’s rosters from 2004-2006.

The report said that Incognito and friends of his were trying to get close to a performer on stage when Joseph asked them to step back. Somebody from Incognito’s group allegedly said to Joseph “f— you and what are you doing to do about it?” and pushed Joseph.

Incognito told police that he was trying to break up the fight when he got hit in the face by Joseph.


Incognito had minor injuries to his face and refused medical treatment. Incognito received a trespassing warning by Miami Beach police and “advised not to return,” according to police. ...
- See more at: http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedaily ... GwETR.dpuf


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We passed along a report today that Dolphins guard Richie Incognito punched and knocked out a hotel security guard in an incident before the start of training camp. We now have some more information about the matter.

PFT has obtained a copy of the police report connected to the incident, and Incognito’s side of the story was that he was merely trying to break up a fight.

The incident took place when Incognito and his friends were attempting to get close to the stage during a performance at a club in the Fontainebleau hotel in Miami. A security guard told police that he asked Incognito’s group to step back, and someone in the group replied, “f–k you and what are you going to do about it?”

At that point, an altercation started between the security guard and Incognito’s friend, and Incognito told police that he was just trying to step in and stop the fight when he was hit in the face by the guard. The police report says Incognito had minor injuries to his face but declined medical treatment.

Incognito was not arrested but was escorted from the club and given a trespass warning, and he was told not to return to the hotel without permission.


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Is it me or is this whole idea of a Dolphin cover up being torn to shreds by the evidence?

People have said they are trying to cover up their knowledge of Martin struggling, yet the only evidence we have to this point is a conversation he supposedly had with Philbin in the Spring, Philbin's meeting with him at the hospital before everything went public, and one snippet of the conversation Ireland had with his agent.

Then the cover up of Incognito's past which was just debunked by the previous posts.

Is it possible this isn't an organization in disarray and that they were blindsided by this just like the rest of us? You can rip them to shreds for talent evaluation and personnel decisions, but it doesn't sound like the inmates are running the asylum.


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Is it me or is this whole idea of a Dolphin cover up being torn to shreds by the evidence?

People have said they are trying to cover up their knowledge of Martin struggling, yet the only evidence we have to this point is a conversation he supposedly had with Philbin in the Spring, Philbin's meeting with him at the hospital before everything went public, and one snippet of the conversation Ireland had with his agent.

Then the cover up of Incognito's past which was just debunked by the previous posts.

Is it possible this isn't an organization in disarray and that they were blindsided by this just like the rest of us? You can rip them to shreds for talent evaluation and personnel decisions, but it doesn't sound like the inmates are running the asylum.


yeah maybe to us hardcore fans with the rose colored glasses & kool aid by our side but to the general masses no matter what the outcome of this the team will absorb some guilt & some heads will roll whether it is players or staff or both.
Honestly though whatever the outcome its just another black eye on a franchise whose fall from grace is just crazy ridiculous. Is it recoverable ... of course it is , but its just another wtf moment in recent franchise history. On to playing in NY in February.

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Yep only if you have rose colored glasses can you consider all of the evidence. The narrative is that the Phins are bad so just get with the program, accept it. and ignore anything that does not fit that story.


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This is the dumbest crap ever. There's not even a story in this.

How is Sean Payton still a coach? And Philbin is getting fired for this? lololololol

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This is the dumbest crap ever. There's not even a story in this.

It may not be just this one thing.. Lets not forget their handing of Randy Starks. The lack of desire in coaching up Davis.

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How is Sean Payton still a coach? And Philbin is getting fired for this? lololololol

He wins. Something Miami avoids when looking for HC.

Plus its much worse to bully someone than it is to physically hurt them. :headscratch


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They need to make the playoffs; otherwise, the last of the Bill Parcells failed hire will be gone. Fans are very tired of the losing and sick of being a laughing stock in this league.

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A league source tells PFT's Mike Florio that owner Stephen Ross is "apoplectic" over the situation. It appears Ross will wait until the season is over to make a move, however. In other words, the 4-4 Dolphins would have to rally and make the playoffs for Philbin and Ireland to have any shot at saving their jobs. Irrespective of the Martin situation, Philbin and Ireland both deserve to be on the hot seat. They haven't done good jobs in 2013, and Ireland has overseen four consecutive losing seasons as GM in Miami.


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yeah maybe to us hardcore fans with the rose colored glasses & kool aid by our side but to the general masses no matter what the outcome of this the team will absorb some guilt & some heads will roll whether it is players or staff or both.
Honestly though whatever the outcome its just another black eye on a franchise whose fall from grace is just crazy ridiculous. Is it recoverable ... of course it is , but its just another wtf moment in recent franchise history. On to playing in NY in February.


I don't disagree with anything you're saying about the national perception. I don't think kool aid and rose colored glasses are involved at all. I've had my share of complaints about the coaches.

But this is becoming a joke. The national media and some other parties are trying to write the narrative without considering or even knowing all of the evidence. They wanted this to be some nice, convenient little story about bullying and evil higher ups looking the other way so that they could thump their bleeding heart chests and preach to us from their pedestals.

Well its not working out that way and it is going to be more complicated. It may end up being a huge misunderstanding from a guy who has bottled up emotional issues for a long time. It may be that the brass is more involved with ordering code reds and hiding information. It may be that Martin and/or his family are concocting a plot for him to save face because he is being labeled a quitter.

Joe Philbin and Jeff Ireland have made mistakes and both don't appear to be the most likeable personalities. But that doesn't give anyone the green light to target them or jeopardize their careers with false accusations. I've made it quite clear that my gut tells me this is Martin's parents seeking justice for their son and are determined to get his money. I can't prove it but now seeing others push these other narratives so strongly I realize it might be time to apply the brakes and let the rest play out.


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Joe Philbin and Jeff Ireland have made mistakes and both don't appear to be the most likeable personalities. But that doesn't give anyone the green light to target them or jeopardize their careers with false accusations. I've made it quite clear that my gut tells me this is Martin's parents seeking justice for their son and are determined to get his money. I can't prove it but now seeing others push these other narratives so strongly I realize it might be time to apply the brakes and let the rest play out.

I see it this way as well Jammer and IF Miami were to make the playoffs and settle this huge controversy down, I say they stay, but if the Dolphins happen to fall apart, I would not be surprised that combined with all the negative press AND losing that another makeover is in store.

IF that even happens it will be interesting to who could even be targeted to take over this team.

My guess is Ross would make a run at a big name and a disciplinarian too. Cowher seems content, but it would probably need to be someone that has a hard nose for football and runs a good tight ship. A lot remains to be seen for now, but winning will probably save jobs and I think that will stay the bottom line UNLESS the NFL comes out with proof that Philbin/Ireland neglected and dropped the ball, then who knows how Ross will handle.


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Philbin and Ireland keeping their jobs, IF they had no involvement in alleged bullying, will revolve around 2 things: a winning record and Ryan Tannehill at least appearing to be a franchise QB. It really is that simple.

If Miami collapses or limps along, and Tannehill looks inconsistent then Ross will have the excuse to blow it up. Heck he can even embrace the distraction of this controversey if he feels it will give him a pass in the media.

I think this team is going to finish 9-7.


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Right or wrong depending what the investigation turns up, I can't believe we are talking about starting over AGAIN...disgusted.

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Oh yay! Another 'rebuilding project'!
This is getting VERY VERY old. We need to stick with one pony. I don't have a problem with Philbin. I wish we would quit finding excuses to give up on coaches. Philbin is a rookie at head coaching, he is bound to make mistakes. Unfortunately that isn't allowed in our society. I'm not making excuses for the guy, he has made some missteps. I just don't see anything here that says he deserves to get fired. Ireland on the other hand has run out of credit.


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FINesse wrote:
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I wonder if Tannehill and the offense come out and play with their hair on fire now.


Its Tampa ...they better not lose this game or I can see firings on the short plane ride home.


Make the playoffs, they both survive. Miss and I think they're both gone. It really is that simple.


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Post Re: Mike Silver: Ireland and Philbin expected to be fired
IF that all happens, if I am Ross, I am paying Bill Cowher whatever he wants. He certainly would not put up with any crap, period.


Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:10 pm
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Post Re: Mike Silver: Ireland and Philbin expected to be fired
Finhead34 wrote:
IF that all happens, if I am Ross, I am paying Bill Cowher whatever he wants. He certainly would not put up with any crap, period.


Is there crap now that the current guys are putting up with or have put up with that Cowher would not?


Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:46 pm
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