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Why cant Tanny hit him in stride?

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I don't know, but I am taking partial credit if they win today. I sat Wallace in fantasy football after weeks of frustration and, of course, he has a huge game! :hithead:

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the miss in the 3rd quarter i feel was on Wallace, could have been 6


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swerve13 wrote:
the miss in the 3rd quarter i feel was on Wallace, could have been 6


Are you kidding?

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the miss in the 3rd quarter i feel was on Wallace, could have been 6


Are you kidding?


Lol. Swerve, no offense, but what could you have possibly been looking at?


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the miss in the 3rd quarter i feel was on Wallace, could have been 6


Are you kidding?


:haha

The only way Wallace could have caught that one was to strap on a rocket.

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This is a passing league!

I really like Tannehill. I like his game, but the deep ball is a big part of this league, and if he can't add that to his toolbox, then he isn't the QB of the future. It isn't a Pennington league anymore.

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the miss in the 3rd quarter i feel was on Wallace, could have been 6


Are you kidding?


Lol. Swerve, no offense, but what could you have possibly been looking at?


he wasnt running full speed, usually it's the other way around.


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he wasnt running full speed, usually it's the other way around.


You're crazy.

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The one in the 4th maybe but the one in the 3rd, not so sure about that.


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I could rattle off 10 plays that cost Miami this game with Tannehill's 3rd qtr overthrow and Wallace's last second drop being two of them.

I'm completely disgusted and need to refrain from posting for at least a day.


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Tannehill obviously has accuracy issues with Wallace. Amazing to how many times Wallaces breaks open only for that ball not to time him in stride. Of course at the very end of the game when Tannehill throws a nice hail mary that actually gave Wallace a chance, he couldn't come down with it.


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Tannehill obviously has accuracy issues with Wallace. Amazing to how many times Wallaces breaks open only for that ball not to time him in stride. Of course at the very end of the game when Tannehill throws a nice hail mary that actually gave Wallace a chance, he couldn't come down with it.


Wallace is the only guy who gets open deep though.

Tanny continues to be the same guy he was in college. Back shoulder throws to the sidelines, breaking routes on the sidelines .... those he can hit. Teams force him there as the game goes on because he's not effective anywhere else.

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Rock Sexton wrote:
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Tannehill obviously has accuracy issues with Wallace. Amazing to how many times Wallaces breaks open only for that ball not to time him in stride. Of course at the very end of the game when Tannehill throws a nice hail mary that actually gave Wallace a chance, he couldn't come down with it.


Wallace is the only guy who gets open deep though.

Tanny continues to be the same guy he was in college. Back shoulder throws to the sidelines, breaking routes on the sidelines .... those he can hit. Teams force him there as the game goes on because he's not effective anywhere else.


Teams force him there because they aren't high percentage throws and take away any YAC. Plus there is no running game. Tannehill is not an elite QB who makes every throw but he's getting little to zero help from anyone on offense.

This offense as a whole just sucks and he's not good enough, hopefully yet, to make up for the other problems.

I think Clay dropping that key 2nd down pass in the 4th qtr to kill the clock had me just as angry as any other play.

Nolan Carroll dropping the interception on the Newton pass on that last drive.

I could go on and on. Don't even get me started with Lamar Miller running backwards and creating huge 2nd and longs, or our receivers inability to break tackles. Infuriating.


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That last pass to Wallace would have made a hero out of him but he couldn't hold onto it. It would have been a tough catch, but you are supposed to catch those in the NFL.

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That last pass to Wallace would have made a hero out of him but he couldn't hold onto it. It would have been a tough catch, but you are supposed to catch those in the NFL.


He's supposed to make that catch just like Tannehill is supposed to show better anticipation and hit him when he was wide open in that deep route.

Both players at fault.

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Rock Sexton wrote:
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That last pass to Wallace would have made a hero out of him but he couldn't hold onto it. It would have been a tough catch, but you are supposed to catch those in the NFL.


He's supposed to make that catch just like Tannehill is supposed to show better anticipation and hit him when he was wide open in that deep route.

Both players at fault.


Agreed. But you both should go check on Salguero's tweet of that play. The ball is on the money in his hands. Whoever the photographer was did an unreal job of snapping that pic.

It almost defines Miami's season...so close, just not enough when it counts.


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Agreed. But you both should go check on Salguero's tweet of that play. The ball is on the money in his hands. Whoever the photographer was did an unreal job of snapping that pic.

It almost defines Miami's season...so close, just not enough when it counts.


I saw the pic. If somebody wants to look at that play in a vacuum that's fine. But before it hit him in the hands the guy was running wide open before he had to twist around two different times to try and locate the ball forcing him completely off-balance ..... and nowhere in Wallace's resume have we seen him making plays like that. It's typically only when he's running a good clean route straight ahead and getting hit in stride.

I hate plays like that though because the game should've never come down to that, so when the pass actually hit him in the hands instead of being underthrown/overthrown, people fixate on what could've been. It's just another game indicative of how "average" they are and how they don't put complete games together.

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Agreed. But you both should go check on Salguero's tweet of that play. The ball is on the money in his hands. Whoever the photographer was did an unreal job of snapping that pic.

It almost defines Miami's season...so close, just not enough when it counts.


I saw the pic. If somebody wants to look at that play in a vacuum that's fine. But before it hit him in the hands the guy was running wide open before he had to twist around two different times to try and locate the ball forcing him completely off-balance ..... and nowhere in Wallace's resume have we seen him making plays like that. It's typically only when he's running a good clean route straight ahead and getting hit in stride.

I hate plays like that though because the game should've never come down to that, so when the pass actually hit him in the hands instead of being underthrown/overthrown, people fixate on what could've been. It's just another game indicative of how "average" they are and how they don't put complete games together.


As I said before, I can point to 10 different game changing plays. Tannehill should have had 4 TD passes and that play should have never been necessary.

No running game, defense missing plays in the 2nd half, drops and no YAC, missed field goal and Tannehill's misses all combined for a gut punch loss.


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jammer wrote:
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That last pass to Wallace would have made a hero out of him but he couldn't hold onto it. It would have been a tough catch, but you are supposed to catch those in the NFL.


He's supposed to make that catch just like Tannehill is supposed to show better anticipation and hit him when he was wide open in that deep route.

Both players at fault.


Agreed. But you both should go check on Salguero's tweet of that play. The ball is on the money in his hands. Whoever the photographer was did an unreal job of snapping that pic.

It almost defines Miami's season...so close, just not enough when it counts.


I thought Walace did a superb job of getting in position to catch that pass. That picture will not show us that.

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Like Rock said, if the ball is thrown earlier, or out in front of Wallace then it's an easy TD for the win.

One of many throws Tannehill missed today.


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I thought Walace did a superb job of getting in position to catch that pass. That picture will not show us that.


I think so too.

However, I will say that I don't think it matters. When he dropped that there was 10 seconds left, If he catches it on the one then our team has to sprint about 60 yards, line up, & spike it before time runs out. I'm not sure the play would've matter unless Tanne puts it in the endzone

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Wallace failed to make a difficult catch, yes he should have still made it, but Tannehill consistently fails to hit Wallace when he is wide open deep. That is not NFL level QB skill. Fix it or get off my team!

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Wallace was getting open deep all day long. Tanny consistently threw him in to coverage. He underthrew him twice and threw him to the right where the defender was in stead of strait or left. Wallace made two heroic catches in traffic he had to run back too... the problem is NOT Wallace


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Under throw over throw WTF? The 2 he caught he had to slow down for. They were sure TDs and the game is over. You HAVE to hit those in today's game, if RT can't do that, then bye bye.


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Under throw over throw WTF? The 2 he caught he had to slow down for. They were sure TDs and the game is over. You HAVE to hit those in today's game, if RT can't do that, then bye bye.


Mak, I would love to see the statistic of actually how many MISSED touchdown throws this season.


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Bullcrap... I'm tired of the argument coming back on the 2nd year quarterback.

A $60 million veteran WR is supposed to bail out his young quarterback, he's supposed to make those tough catches, he's supposed to be the hero.

Mike Wallace is none of those things, he's a $60 million waste of money.


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Bullcrap... I'm tired of the argument coming back on the 2nd year quarterback.

A $60 million veteran WR is supposed to bail out his young quarterback, he's supposed to make those tough catches, he's supposed to be the hero.

Mike Wallace is none of those things, he's a $60 million waste of money.


He can't get any MORE open than WIDE OPEN.

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Bullcrap... I'm tired of the argument coming back on the 2nd year quarterback.

A $60 million veteran WR is supposed to bail out his young quarterback, he's supposed to make those tough catches, he's supposed to be the hero.

Mike Wallace is none of those things, he's a $60 million waste of money.


The QB is supposed to raise the play of his teammates. If it is the other way around you have the wrong the QB.


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Bullcrap... I'm tired of the argument coming back on the 2nd year quarterback.

A $60 million veteran WR is supposed to bail out his young quarterback, he's supposed to make those tough catches, he's supposed to be the hero.

Mike Wallace is none of those things, he's a $60 million waste of money.


The QB is supposed to raise the play of his teammates. If it is the other way around you have the wrong the QB.


It doesn't even require that in order to hit a WIDE OPEN…As in WIDE OPEN…Wide Receiver down the field.

Tannehill hasn't missed just a couple….He's missing 2 or 3 every single week now… That's not acceptable for any QB.

It's costing this team a lot of points, and will have cost this team a lot of wins and the Playoffs by the end of the season.


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Bullcrap... I'm tired of the argument coming back on the 2nd year quarterback.

A $60 million veteran WR is supposed to bail out his young quarterback, he's supposed to make those tough catches, he's supposed to be the hero.


I'm right there with you, PZ1234567890. Did anyone see Tannehill getting the snot beat out of him on just about every pass he threw? I would like to see what he could do with real protection.

And the deep pass needs more work in practice. Does anyone really know how much it is practiced?

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Dave...I also saw him hold the ball way too long before throwing it. He is obviously not there yet. I'm not ready to give up on a QB with his accuracy on the short and medium throws. They're hard to find. Get a coaching staff that can coach players up and you'll win.


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The problem yesterday may not have been Wallace but most games it has been. Face it , he lucked out in his fre agent year that there was a desperate team that needed to make a splash at the receiver position. We paid for the hype.

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He's a one trick pony. Deadly deep but not a traffic receiver (cause of his speed he's never in traffic). Tanny would have been better off with Marshall or even Boldin for his style it seems. One of them needs changed.


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He's a one trick pony. Deadly deep but not a traffic receiver (cause of his speed he's never in traffic). Tanny would have been better off with Marshall or even Boldin for his style it seems. One of them needs changed.


I agree that Marshall would have been a wonderful security blanket for Tannehill. It was a bad move to send him packing without a viable replacement. Keller might have been the planned security blanket though.

Still, if the QB can't hit wide open receivers deep, then we have a major problem. Tannehill has not touch on his deep ball and I don't think he has the arm to make those throws. He typically underthrows those passes. He probably needs to trust Wallace more and make the throw earlier so that it doesn't have to travel so far in the air....and that might be tough for a guy worried about interceptions. Tannehill is fine throwing the short and intermediate passes, but defenses can shut that down if they know the deep ball won't hurt them and the running game sucks.

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He is more than a deep ball guy BUT it goes to how we use him. He is not going to run over anyone obviously but he can run slants (that he needs to catch), he can run out of the bunch, he can play slot, and he is fast enough to run across field. Besides how we use him and the types of routes he runs, I also think the pressure of being the man and living up to that contract is getting to him. He has to find his mojo and make catches! He dropped balls in Pittsburg but not as many as he has dropped here. We shouldnt have to PRAY when the ball is going to him that he holds on to it.

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I'm not saying they should give up on Tannehill just yet, he has lots of potential, but he HAS to learn to hit a wide open Mike Wallace for a sure TD, and he has to show that he can learn it very soon.

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He probably needs to trust Wallace more and make the throw earlier so that it doesn't have to travel so far in the air


That is an excellent point. I think he has the arm strength but lacks the timing and placement. Perhaps reducing the throw by 10 yards will make timing easier. I guess it depends on the safety's positioning as well.


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I still don't understand how OUR OWN darn fans can be so down on this football team. Good lord. If we were as bad as all these "fans" make us out to be, we would be losing 56-0 every week. We can't do this, we can't do that, or this, or that. Why not just root for the Jets?!?!?! I mean F***. People are going to blast me with whatever insults fill their mind, but who the hell cares. The big picture is we are a developing football team. Have some darn confidence. Unfortunately we haven't pulled out the W's but our play has me believing that we are on the rise. Last time I went into a Patriots Dolphins game with the mindset that we could go toe to toe was forever ago. Even in the almighty 2008 year that everyone for some reason returns to just because we won the AFC East. Yeah we won the first game, but got handled 9 weeks later. And then lost bad in the wildcard. Games don't matter unless we win the superbowl right? Whatever.


The 2nd half let downs have been heartbreaking, no s***, so has getting smashed by any decent team in the last decade. Now we are actually contending, and are only going to get better. We can all can think what you want, we're entitled to our own opinions. I know some will disagree with me completely but I still have hope.


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The big picture is we are a developing football team. Have some darn confidence.


While I admire your confidence (and wish I shared it), the problem is they aren't developing. Its the same team we've seen since 2009 with a few tweaks. They'll finish around .500, can't close out games and have a tendency to choke on both sides of the ball.

They traded subpar QB play and a good ground game for average QB play and a bad ground game. They put around 20 points a game and rank in the bottom tier of the league in yard production. How is that much different, big picture, than what we've witnessed since 09?

The defense keeps the team in games but isn't as dominant as the hype.


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