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 Post subject: Re: Is Henne the QB?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:14 pm 
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Miami's problem is that they need some impact players on both sides of the ball. They have some good players but nobody that dominates or comes up big when the game's on the line. Brandon Marshall was supposed to be that guy on offense. He's had two games with 10 catches & over 100 yds, the rest of his games have been mediocre at best. He put up big numbers in Denver so I don't question his ability. You have to put your players in a position to succeed. Is is coaching, Henne or both? The defense has some good players but again, nobody that's going to make that play to stop a drive or create a big turnover to swing momentum. If your best player is your left tackle, you're not going to win a Super Bowl!


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Most QB's just don't become great instantly. It takes learning on the field. Since we are all but mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, I say Henne should be out there on every play from now until the end of the season even if he throws 5 INT's per game.


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Since we are all but mathematically eliminated from the playoffs,


Lol..what?

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We're 4-4, I'm not ready to jump ship yet. Not on the Henne, not on our playoff chances, not on the coaches, and not on this rebuild. I think we have a good football team. We're just young, very young in fact. When you have a young team like we do you've got to expect losses like this sometimes. Just take a look at the Jets 9-0 loss to the Packers. Teams will occasionally have tough losses like this. What's positive is we're playing at home next and we have a good chance to turn things around and get our season back on track. We have the right pieces in place, if we continue to build around our core guys then we will be successful in the future.


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Again, just raising questions. Fasanso did pretty well with Thigpan at Qb and Henne looked lost at times. Henne did find Fasano and looked great at times, other times he looked stupid by throwing that bad pick (no WR to blame that one on) and taking too long to make reads. Flame if you want...just saying.


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Again, just raising questions. Fasanso did pretty well with Thigpan at Qb and Henne looked lost at times. Henne did find Fasano and looked great at times, other times he looked stupid by throwing that bad pick (no WR to blame that one on) and taking too long to make reads. Flame if you want...just saying.


Huh?

Most of Fasano's plays came from Henne's passes.

And the interception was a throw to Marshall in which he was covered one on one by one of the best CBs int he game...

What are you talking about?

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Henne did find Fasano and looked great at times, other times he looked stupid by throwing that bad pick (no WR to blame that one on) and taking too long to make reads. Flame if you want...just saying.


Another pitiful pick....


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And the interception was a throw to Marshall in which he was covered one on one by one of the best CBs int he game...

What are you talking about?


Bad read by Henne. Another game, anoither pick.


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And the interception was a throw to Marshall in which he was covered one on one by one of the best CBs int he game...

What are you talking about?


Bad read by Henne. Another game, anoither pick.


How is having Marshall open deep one on one a bad read? Explain that to me.

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And the interception was a throw to Marshall in which he was covered one on one by one of the best CBs int he game...

What are you talking about?


Bad read by Henne. Another game, anoither pick.


Are you surprised...He thought Cam Cameron was good....Dinking the koolaid til the bottle is empty


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And the interception was a throw to Marshall in which he was covered one on one by one of the best CBs int he game...

What are you talking about?


Bad read by Henne. Another game, anoither pick.


Are you surprised...He thought Cam Cameron was good....Dinking the koolaid til the bottle is empty



I challenge you to find a post in which I said Cam Cameron was good.

In fact, when were first brought him in, I was the only one criticizing the decisions he was making (i.e. bringin in Trent Green). In fact, You were one of the ones saying we HAD to bring in Trent Green. And since you keep bringing up the past, why were you allowed back on these forums after being banned for life is beyond me...

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How is having Marshall open deep one on one a bad read? Explain that to me

You just said it...he was covered by one of the best corners in the league and he threw a pick. If he was open, it should have been a touch, not a pick. How can that be argued? HE THREW A PICK!


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How is having Marshall open deep one on one a bad read? Explain that to me

You just said it...he was covered by one of the best corners in the league and he threw a pick. If he was open, it should have been a touch, not a pick. How can that be argued? HE THREW A PICK!


So if we play a defense with two great corners, we shouldn't throw to our receivers?

It was one on one coverage, he is one of the best WRs in the game. You take the shot.

The read was not a bad read, in fact it was the best read.

The throw was the problem. There is a difference between making a bad read and making a bad throw.

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omg you guys are arguing about the language of the screw up lol.

can we just say "Henne screwed up" and call it a day?


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omg you guys are arguing about the language of the screw up lol.

can we just say "Henne screwed up" and call it a day?


Man if it bugs you so much then bypass the thread.

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I can't!!!

Marshall ran the wrong route!


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I am already pretty certain Henne isn't the guy....I am about 90% certain Thigpen isn't either, but there is a little hope. I am VERY certain that Henning needs to go though!


It's amazing how popular the backup QB is. Unfortunately it's been that way for years around here.

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omg you guys are arguing about the language of the screw up lol.

can we just say "Henne screwed up" and call it a day?


It wasn't a bad read...it's one on one deep with one of the top 5 receivers in the league....
You guys were pissing about not throwing it deep...Henne threw it deep. Great read...looking lost? Not even close.

It was an overthrow...that happens when you throw the ball over 40 yards, your accuracy drops...especially when Miami doesn't do it that often.

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omg you guys are arguing about the language of the screw up lol.

can we just say "Henne screwed up" and call it a day?


It wasn't a bad read...it's one on one deep with one of the top 5 receivers in the league....
You guys were pissing about not throwing it deep...Henne threw it deep. Great read...looking lost? Not even close.

It was an overthrow...that happens when you throw the ball over 40 yards, your accuracy drops...especially when Miami doesn't do it that often.

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Amazing how this continues.

I saw Roethlisberger throw an ugly pick 6 against the Pats and put up less accurate passing numbers than Henne did when he faced them.

Pitt should probably look to see if their backup QB can be the savior and draft a 1st round QB next year.


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Amazing how this continues.

I saw Roethlisberger throw an ugly pick 6 against the Pats and put up less accurate passing numbers than Henne did when he faced them.

Pitt should probably look to see if their backup QB can be the savior and draft a 1st round QB next year.


Yeah , to go even further the Pats should have benched Brady after the Browns game. Good point.


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Amazing how this continues.

I saw Roethlisberger throw an ugly pick 6 against the Pats and put up less accurate passing numbers than Henne did when he faced them.

Pitt should probably look to see if their backup QB can be the savior and draft a 1st round QB next year.


You're comparing a 2 times winning SB QB with more TDs than picks to someone who hasn't done anything yet. Apples to oranges.

So if we play a defense with two great corners, we shouldn't throw to our receivers?

It was one on one coverage, he is one of the best WRs in the game. You take the shot.

The read was not a bad read, in fact it was the best read.

The throw was the problem. There is a difference between making a bad read and making a bad throw.


Good point on Marshall one on one. It was a bad throw and accuracy goes down over 40 yrds. At least we went deep.


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[quote="Makchell"]You're comparing a 2 times winning SB QB with more TDs than picks to someone who hasn't done anything yet. Apples to oranges.

I'm talking about nitpicking one throw and using it to continue an argument against playing Henne, and frankly dismissing him altogether.

There is zero patience in a lot of this fan base, and I've never seen a QB have so many individual throws discussed as though they were the life and death of his career.


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Henne's deep ball accuracy leaves alot to be desired. His touch pass deliver leaves alot to be desired.

Those are the two key elements I see for him as a young QB that can be taught and e can develop.

I dont know if he has what it takes to be "that guy" if you know what I mean...

When great or even real good QB's are on the field they demand respect. I dont get the feeling Henne has that element yet.
I worry cause I dont know if that is something you can teach...

Needless to say he should have been the starter yesterday. It told me the coaching staff sees him as a liability, and he is their guy, they picked him to run this offense

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I'm talking about nitpicking one throw and using it to continue an argument against playing Henne, and frankly dismissing him altogether.

There is zero patience in a lot of this fan base, and I've never seen a QB have so many individual throws discussed as though they were the life and death of his career.


I'm just raising legitimate questions about our QB. Sorry that you have a 44oz big gulp will koolaid in it.


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omg you guys are arguing about the language of the screw up lol.

can we just say "Henne screwed up" and call it a day?


It wasn't a bad read...it's one on one deep with one of the top 5 receivers in the league....
You guys were pissing about not throwing it deep...Henne threw it deep. Great read...looking lost? Not even close.

It was an overthrow...that happens when you throw the ball over 40 yards, your accuracy drops...especially when Miami doesn't do it that often.

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Totally agree. At least he had the arm to overthrow it ... and behind as well. It's not as if he had all day to size up the throw. The Titans were in his face every time he stepped back in the pocket.

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I thought Parcells was the guy who picked Henne?


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Makchell wrote:
I'm talking about nitpicking one throw and using it to continue an argument against playing Henne, and frankly dismissing him altogether.

There is zero patience in a lot of this fan base, and I've never seen a QB have so many individual throws discussed as though they were the life and death of his career.


I'm just raising legitimate questions about our QB. Sorry that you have a 44oz big gulp will koolaid in it.


I'm sorry Chad Henne is supposed to be an All Pro already. I guess QB development is not in the vocabulary of Dolphins fans. Thank God we didn't draft Brees, Elway or Young.


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It was more than an overthrow; Henne overthrew him and threw it to the wrong spot by a long shot. It was just a poorly thrown ball.


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I'm sorry Chad Henne is supposed to be an All Pro already. I guess QB development is not in the vocabulary of Dolphins fans. Thank God we didn't draft Brees, Elway or Young.

Again, read the title of the thread. Is Henne the QB? Just asking.


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Henne didn't have a great game today,
What did you not like about his game yesterday? I thought he played a really good game considering what happened this week & the fact I'm sure his confidence was shaken. He pushed the ball down the field, which is what most Miami fans have been wanting.

I know he threw a pick, but 40 Yd passes have a great likely hood of being picked.


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I'm sorry Chad Henne is supposed to be an All Pro already. I guess QB development is not in the vocabulary of Dolphins fans. Thank God we didn't draft Brees, Elway or Young.

Again, read the title of the thread. Is Henne the QB? Just asking.


Sounds like you already have your answer. With the evidence at hand I don't. You can call it kool aid if you want, I'm willing to give the guy more time.


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It was an overthrow...that happens when you throw the ball over 40 yards, your accuracy drops...especially when Miami doesn't do it that often.

You need to understand something. There guys do not understand that the longer the throw the harder it is to be pinpoint accurate. They believe a NFL can drop the ball on the 20 Yd line from their own 40.

They do not understand that majority of deep passes are simply throw it up & let the guy run under it. If it in the right area, then that is all a Wr can ask for.


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you all are arguing over Henne's pick against the Titans right?

Bad throw vs bad read?

From what I remember, it was 3rd and 1, and our Running game wasnt going so hot. Im screaming at the screen to give it to Polite. It was only 1 yard to go. If we didnt make it, it would have ended up being a punt, and from the 45 ish too, so a short angled punt would have been the only thing left.

Ok so 3rd and 1, and we call a pass...... remember, Henne isnt allowed to audible, so he has to go with whatever he has lined up thanks to Henning. Lets throw this out there. WHAT IF, he overthrew a slot Bess, or a laser outlet to the RB? Would it have not resulted in a 4th and 1 punt and Tennessee possesion???

Ok so he overthrows Marshall, one-on-one against a great cornerback...... Interception, and Titans ball at like the 12 yard line....

Isnt that the same as a good punt?? Henne took a gamble on a big completion, and it ended up being a GOOD play. Tennessee got the ball with almost 90 yards to work with. An Incompletion would have yielded a punt anyways! Plus, it wasnt an overkick for a touchback. Bad throw, or bad read? well the Read was perfect, worst case scenario was a punt on the next play anyways. The throw? well are we going to sit here and actually judge the throw itself? It was a 40 yard pass, he wanted to put high, for a jump ball. Seeing how he connected a few deeper throws during the game, maybe he was putting a little too much on it. Either way, Henne completes what? 22% of his deep balls? Ok so he connected a few on the game, I think a bad throw might be slightly excuseable.

Either way, this INT by Henne merits no reason for criticism. It was a productive INT that would have yielded a punt either way. It didnt cause us a loss in field position. And it wasnt a drive killer, unless you actually thought Marshall was going to come down with it.... 3rd and 1 in their territory and Henning calls in a deep throw...... thats the judgement here. WHY NOT POLITE.. Mr ALMOST AUTOMATIC....... nah, lets fire a drive killing pass which has a risk-reward ratio as opposed to the 90% success rate of Polite. That boggles me.

This just further supports the BLAME HENNING theory, not Henne


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Henne's deep ball accuracy leaves alot to be desired. His touch pass deliver leaves alot to be desired.

Those are the two key elements I see for him as a young QB that can be taught and e can develop.

I dont know if he has what it takes to be "that guy" if you know what I mean...

When great or even real good QB's are on the field they demand respect. I dont get the feeling Henne has that element yet.
I worry cause I dont know if that is something you can teach...

Needless to say he should have been the starter yesterday. It told me the coaching staff sees him as a liability, and he is their guy, they picked him to run this offense



Very Good......I was saying things like this about a month ago......He also takes way to long to make his reads....


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DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THE EAGLES WILL LET HIM GO??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They will not keep both of them at seasons end. Kolb is better than Henne as well!


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DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THE EAGLES WILL LET HIM GO??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll pass on QB Dog Killer.

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