Hmm, that's interesting..

That thought has crossed my mind a few times.....

I have thought the same thing about Jason Allen. You might be onto something here

Oh come on Rich, Jackson had McNabb throwing to him from day one! Ginn started with soft pitch Penny and now has a 2nd year inconsistent QB (although I really think Henne will be a stud!) throwing to him. A HUGE difference.

So now the excuse is who was throwing to the player?

Who did Anquan Boldin have throwing to him his rookie season?

Kurt Warner?

It was one of the McCown's actually.

And Quan TORE IT UP his rookie year...1300 yards.

Ginn is going to be awesome. I know it. I am still a supporter! Team Ginn! Lol. I didn't know you guys were redoing the site! Temp looks good!

Bah... McNabb is over-rated.

Ginn's unofficial 40 time is 4.06!!

When you have that kind of speed on your team you find a way to use it.

Over rated or not he has a heck of a lot stronger arm than Pennington ever did.

We have a winner.

Yeah, if you want to believe a site called "chacha.com".

Really? I actually consider him to be the decade's most under-rated player.

So is mine. I can unofficially squat more than most olympians as well.

He has had good team after good team for him to work with in the playoffs and he always falls short. He's too much of a cry baby for me.

What in the world has McNabb ever cried about? He's taken teams with receivers like Todd Pinkston and Freddie Mitchell to the NFC championship game. He is one of the NFL's best quarterbacks ever, let alone just recently.

Marino fell short his entire career...is he too much of a cry baby?

What?!?

McNabb has performed at a Pro Bowl level year after year for, what, 11 years now?? And every off season Eagle fans are calling for his head like idiots. All I have seen is a guy take all the BS like a man, win 10+ games a year, take his team to FIVE Championship Games, not talk any trash, and just go and and do his business.

Where the heck did he ever act like a baby?? Ever...?? He even handled the TO situation with tons of class....

Thanks for making me not feel crazy.

I like how people totally make up things about a player to support thier arguments. Cracks me up!! McNabb played a superbowl with flu, never heard him cry.

I think we have some man crushes here... McNabb gets worried every time someone new gets brought in because he's so insecure... don't you listen to the news or anything?

Everyone was shocked the Eagles went with Vick just for that reason!!

Pro bowl level for that many years? Funny, I don't remember him being in that many pro bowls...

when was the last time he won a league MVP?

He has had 3, maybe 4 solid seasons... the rest were average. Not to mention he's only played a full season 4 times... please... giving this guy way too much recognition... the Eagles fans have it right.

Not to mention threw 4 TD's against the Cardinals with a broken leg. I guess LamePz would have thrown 5, eh?

So already you're going to start calling people names?

It appears someone around here (Iowafin) can't back his arguments up with anything other than putting the other poster down. Show me some facts or some stats that back up your argument...

I haven't made anything up at all... so I'm not sure where that's coming from. There was plenty of Radio and TV publicity surrounding the fact that McNabb is insecure...

I wasn't putting you down, I honestly thought that was your name. This font thing has me screwed up. Regardless, me saying that he threw 4 TD's with a broken leg is a fact. Those reports were from reporters that say that the QB position is an insecure one....not to mention that the Philadelphia area has called for McNabb's head every year. Because of that, he gets guys like you saying that he should be gone because they have Vick, or Kolb.

Give us ONE example of McNabb being a crybaby.

That was not necassary, iowa.

PZ, I don't know him as a person, all I go by is what he displays on the field, in interviews, etc., and I have NEVER heard him complain in the slightest bit about anything. He plays in maybe the toughest sports town there is, and the fact that Philly fans are still pissed they didn't take Ricky makes it even tougher on the guy.

When he is healthy, he consistently puts up great stats, makes big plays, plays through pain, and has lead his team to tons of wins over the years. His career QB rating is higher than Marino's, and if I am not mistaken the 3rd highest since he was drafted only behind you know who and you know who.

The guy is a stud and has had to deal with TONS of absolute BS from HIS OWN FAN BASE...If I'm a player, I couldn't care less what my rival fans say about me, or what reporters are saying...but when your own fans call for your release/trade every off season, it's gotta be tough, and he handles it extremely well.

He was the one who convinced the Eagles to bring Vick in, so I don't buy your point on that. The whole insecurity thing is probably over blown. I don't see many QB's handling what he has had to endure the way he has. He's a stud on the field, and a class act off it.

Well McNabb cried when T.O said he'd rather have Brady or Farve throwing him the ball.

Hey hey hey now... you're taking my words out of context... I said he was over-rated, I didn't say he was a bad quarterback... I wouldn't take Vick or Kolb over McNabb.

A lot of people seem to think he's one of the greats though, and if you're gonna sit here and tell me a guy who has never thrown for 4000 yards in a season, has 1 season of 30+ TD's and consistently loses in the playoffs is an all time great, then I'd have to strongly disagree.

The greats are typically known for 1 of 2 things:

1. Amazing Statistics
2. Winning in the Post-Season

McNabb is known for neither. He is a good QB, and maybe one day he'll win it with the Eagles... who knows... but I'm not gonna go around town singing about how good he is.

So you honestly believe he chose to name himself LamePZ?

Do you honestly believe people here are that gullible?

Ok, so which of the four is inactive or rarely sees the field every week once Pat Turner is gone or emerges?

I'm a proponent for sitting one of those 11 linebackers we carry and bringing 5 receivers.

I wouldn't know why he would have chosen to name himself that, fact is I made a mistake. Rip me all you want, it's the truth.

I agree.

Also, Iowa, could you shrink your sig. a little? Thanks.

Yeah, I thought it was a little big.

Considering the sources I don't know how much weight these articles carry but some people do think that McNabb whines sometimes.



http://www3.allaroundphilly.com/blogs/d ... ining.html





http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2007/12/1 ... abb-story/



http://board.rapmusic.com/sports-centra ... lem-2.html

AQNOR, glad you helped to settle that argument....now can we get back to the Dolphins on this thread?

Not that I care about McNabb one way or the other, but what did the 2nd article have to do about whining? How is saying he is going to help Kolb as best he can indicate he is whining?

Also, some of the other "quotes" seem to be message board or blog stuff.

That's proof?

Yeah that 2nd article doesn't say much of anything about him whining... but I know for a fact it was a huge deal a few years there about him reportedly being whiney and demanding of his team... but whatever... it's back to the Phins!!

Just a sampling of stuff yes some was blog stuff not proof I did mention to consider the sources. Included the blog stuff because some eagles fans have this opinion of MCnabb but certainly not all. I don't know if any is definitive proof and what some might consider a whine or a cry others would not.

Some consider the second article where his first reaction was that he was shocked that they picked up a back up QB when they needed a back up QB to be a whine. If I understand it correctly the other quotes came later to modify his "I am shocked" first respone to their pick of a QB. He did mention he was shocked because it was his position. It is not like he has never been hurt.

I agree to much Eagles not enough Dolphins, my bad for continuing that trend.

Eagles fans were cheering as Michael Irvin lay on the ground temporarily paralyzed after suffering a neck injury that I believe ended his career.

So them bashing their QB doesn't say much about the QB.

I like Ted Ginn (the title of this, after all), so go ahead and dump. I'll take it.

We took a guy in the first round who was a late-second round prospect. We did not get Jerry Rice out of it. But, we got a guy who does have hands if not the most disciplined mind, and speed that no CB can handle. Revis is the best in the league this year. He destroyed the Mosses, the Smiths, the Ocho-stinkos. He owned them. The only guy who smoked him...was Ginn. If you even recall, he had help on Ginn's TD, and that dude was as toasted as Revis.

It's the same thing everyone seems to ignore as it has been for two seasons.
Whatever we ask him to do, he does pretty decently. Rush, Receive, Return, doesn't matter. He's hit the home run from all of them.

I wonder how many All-purpose yards other Dolphins who are treated with far more affection have their first three seasons? Hmmm? Well, I guess we find out, since I have little to do today and feel a bout of print-diarrhea approaching.

Here are the Dolphin's first-3 round draft choices for the last quarter-century, and what they did with the Dolphins in their first three years or less:

Patrick Turner, 2008 3rd Rd - 1 year (87th) Well, he's well on his way, with 0 catches, 0 rushes, 0 TDs and 0 yards.

Derek Hagan, 2006 3rd Rd - 2 years (82nd) A whopping 50 catches for 590 yards, and two returns for 50 yards. Three TDs. Scintillating.

Chris Chambers, 2001 2nd Rd (a) - 3 years (52nd) 164 catches (54.75 per season), 36 returns for 811 yards (22.5 avg.), 3488 all-purpose yards (15.8/rec) and 18 TDs. Made the tough catch look routine, and dropped the sure-fire pass.

Yatil Green, 1997 1st Rd - 3 years (15th) 18 catches, 234 yards (13.0/rec), 0 TDs. An injury waiting to happen. 1 game started, and that was his third year.

OJ McDuffie, 1993 1st Rd - 3 years (25th) 118 catches (39.33 per season) for 1504 yards, 9 rushes for 38 yards (4.22 avg.), 84 punt returns for 708 yards, 91 kick returns for 2086 yards, 13 total TDs and 4219 all-purpose yards. One of my all-time favorite Dolphins.

Randal Hill, 1991 1st Rd - 3 years in two visits (23rd) 33 catches, 14 returns for 291 yards, 960 all-purpose yards, 4 TDs. Ho-hum. 'Thrill hill' wasn't the same force as in college at the U.

Scott Schwedes, 1987 2nd Rd - 3 years (52nd) 13 catches for 304 yards, 81 combined returns for 793 yards, 2 TDs. Scrappy little dude who probably made the most of what little he had.

So, with ease OJ McDuffie is obviously the best of the bunch, right? Is that where you see it clearly?
Followed by Chambers probably?
Okay.
Ginn a distant third?

Ted Ginn, 2007 1st Rd - 3 years (9th), 128 catches (42.6 per season) for 1664 yards, 16 rushes for 124 yards (7.8 avg.), 170 returns for 3698 yards (combined), 5486 all-purpose yards and 10 TDs. So, our distant third has more catches for more yards and more returns for more yards than our obvious no.1?

DO NOT READ INTO THIS ANYTHING I DIDN'T PUT THERE< LIKE GINN IS BETTER THAN MCDUFFIE>: I DON'T THINK THAT, and didn't say that. I'm striving for perspective here. What I do know is that for the last twenty-five years, Ginn has been the most productive WR we have taken in the early rounds of the draft in his first three seasons.