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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:09 pm 
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It says right there in the very first post the Universe can and will create itself from nothing per the law of physics. Do you guys know that we are physically unable to recognize all the dimensions of reality? There could be life out there of a much higher consciousness that could have the ability to create our universe and would that make them god? I dare say before I die (of old age) human beings will be able to create our own sentient life forms, would that make us god? Its all relative.


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If there ever was a time when there was nothing, nothing can come from nothing. Chance configuration is a myth,because chance doesn't exist. Chance is not an entity, therefore it can't create anything. Evolution is not only bad science, it's irrational. " The foolishness of God is wiser than the wisdom of men." "The fool says in his heart, there is no God."


Chance is a relative term. All of time already exist but we cant see it, so from our point of view there are chance occurences even though they don't exist from the relative POV of all time, but it does exist in the conscious mind of humans.

The earth isnt a product of chance occurences its arose from certain sets of conditions necessary for its existence. More earth like planets are being discovered. Science is always moving forward but religion stands still so you can talk about science as if current theories are set in stone and say its irrational but science probes for answers, it doesnt settle on them.


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ggippo wrote:
Chance is a relative term.



Everything's relative.

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Iowafin wrote:
ggippo wrote:
Chance is a relative term.



Everything's relative.


Relative to what though?


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An ant takes a lot longer to cover a certain distance than a human does that distance is relatively longer for the ant than it is for a human. If there is a God that God sees everything at once it has perceptive abilities that sees all of time as one moment.


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ggippo wrote:
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If there ever was a time when there was nothing, nothing can come from nothing. Chance configuration is a myth,because chance doesn't exist. Chance is not an entity, therefore it can't create anything. Evolution is not only bad science, it's irrational. " The foolishness of God is wiser than the wisdom of men." "The fool says in his heart, there is no God."


Chance is a relative term. All of time already exist but we cant see it, so from our point of view there are chance occurences even though they don't exist from the relative POV of all time, but it does exist in the conscious mind of humans.

The earth isnt a product of chance occurences its arose from certain sets of conditions necessary for its existence. More earth like planets are being discovered. Science is always moving forward but religion stands still so you can talk about science as if current theories are set in stone and say its irrational but science probes for answers, it doesnt settle on them.


Mankind is continually yearning and groaning for knowledge of God. If 'religion' were 'fixed', it would never have survived for as long as it has. The reason it has is because mankind is continually seeking his Creator. I know that isn't the 1+1 always equals 2 answer most have come to expect from science, but science isn't the only intellectual truth out there.


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Mankind is continually yearning and groaning for knowledge of God.


Really? Because if you look at history, mankind has continually "yearned and groaned" (those sound like sexual terms) for knowledge of all different types of Gods, from the Greek and Roman Gods to the Egyptian Gods, Sumerian Gods, Norse Gods, Mayan Gods etc etc etc...

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but science isn't the only intellectual truth out there.


How is something you cannot explain and prove an intellectual truth?

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chance doesn't exist


So a person happening to guess the right lottery numbers doesn't exist?

I guess I imagined all those lotto winners I saw on TV.

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gatorphin wrote:
If there ever was a time when there was nothing, nothing can come from nothing. Chance configuration is a myth,because chance doesn't exist. Chance is not an entity, therefore it can't create anything. Evolution is not only bad science, it's irrational. " The foolishness of God is wiser than the wisdom of men." "The fool says in his heart, there is no God."


Not sure where you got those quotes from. They are all very biased toward one side of the story, which I am sure you intended, and generally nonsensical. But we can look at the flip side of the end quote:

"Only in the fool's mind is there a God."


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Better to be a fool who believes in Him than a fool who doesn't.


Why?

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Because if your a fool who does, what's the difference?


Guessing correctly does not constitute being a fool.

Living your entire life believing a lie that you were brainwashed to belive since birth does.

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I'm just saying that if you're a believer and you're wrong, what's the difference?


I answered that question. If it didn't register, I won't bother answering it again.

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PR, I believe in God, but one day you'll learn that arguing for God's existence is a lost cause. It is a belief, and those that don't simply don't. The best thing you can do is pray for them, but they'll still continue to think you're an idiot because you believe in a higher power.

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Phins Rock wrote:
I'm not trying to convince him that there is one. Just that it's safer to assume there is, than there isn't.


But that doesn't make sense if there is no God.
Now I know I say "if" and that's what you're playing with, but to an atheist or someone that's really struggling to believe, this argument as well as any is a dead end.

Until they feel it spiritually, there's nothing more you can do other than pray.

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what's wrong with believing in something that gives you hope, comfort, a place to go when things aren't going well?


Isn't that how alcoholism and drug addiction start?

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Phins Rock wrote:
Just that it's safer to assume there is, than there isn't.


Safer based on what? What if the God you believe in isn't the true god and there is a true god who is offended by your belief in your god when you die?

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but I think anybody who believes that is being silly


But believing in a woman coming from a man's rib and eating an apple from the forbidden tree thanks to a talking snake and a guy hanging out inside a whale for a few days and a guy building a boat to carry two of each animal species during a 40 day storm and flood (I could go on and on) isn't?

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I'm not sure I know what your point is?


Some people use religion as a crutch. Some people use drugs or alcohol as a crutch.

Using either as a crutch isn't good. Using anything as a crutch isn't good, unless your leg is messed up...

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I don't agree with that. Unless your counting on God to do something or intervene or whatever, I don't see anything wrong with leaning on a belief for comfort.


So by leaning on God for him to provide comfort relying on him to do something?

That's still using God as a crutch.

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Rich wrote:
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I don't agree with that. Unless your counting on God to do something or intervene or whatever, I don't see anything wrong with leaning on a belief for comfort.


So by leaning on God for him to provide comfort relying on him to do something?

That's still using God as a crutch.


There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that a person does not have complete control over every instance in their life ... that there is someone bigger than everything around us. I choose the "crutch" over the "big bang" of nothingness that made everything.

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Rich wrote:
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but I think anybody who believes that is being silly


But believing in a woman coming from a man's rib and eating an apple from the forbidden tree thanks to a talking snake and a guy hanging out inside a whale for a few days and a guy building a boat to carry two of each animal species during a 40 day storm and flood (I could go on and on) isn't?

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I'm not sure I know what your point is?


Some people use religion as a crutch. Some people use drugs or alcohol as a crutch.

Using either as a crutch isn't good. Using anything as a crutch isn't good, unless your leg is messed up...


I'm friggin dying over here, funny stuff!


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