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Who to Pick at 12?
Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma State 6/2 220 4.58 19%  19%  [ 6 ]
Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida 6/6 265 4.72 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
C.J. Spiller RB Clemson 5/11 195 4.37 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Rolando McClain ILB Alabama 6/4 256 4.68 74%  74%  [ 23 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:08 pm 
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Tough Decisions. I would put Brandon Graham up there but he doesnt meet the usual height requirment to get on the Bill Parcells ride.

1. St. Louis (1-15) Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska 6/4 302 5.02
2. Detroit (2-14) Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma 6/4 298 5.05
3. Tampa Bay (3-13) Eric Berry FS Tennessee 5/11 203 4.40
4. Washington (4-12) Russell Okung OT Oklahoma State 6/5 302 5.26
5. Kansas City (4-12) Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa 6/6 312 4.96
6. Seattle (5-11) Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma 6/4 223 4.79
7. Cleveland (5-11) Joe Haden CB Florida 5/11 190 4.42
8. Oakland (5-11) Anthony Davis OT Rutgers 6/6 325 5.28
9. Buffalo (6-10) Trent Williams OT Oklahoma 6/5 318 5.30
10. Jacksonville (7-9) Derrick Morgan DE Georgia Tech 6/4 272 4.76
11. Denver - from Chicago (7-9) Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame 6/2 223 4.76


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In my most humble opinion...Spiller would be a hugely stupid selection with McClain on the board....but maybe they'll draft his whole family in order to make amends for such an epic fail.

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Phins Rock wrote:
If McClain is there, which I just can't see, it's not even a discussion. You take him.

If you're un-able to get Quan' via trade, I think Dez Bryant becomes your number 2 option.


Just don't use hyphens. It's a safer bet than what you're doing.

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If McClain is there, which I just can't see, it's not even a discussion. You take him.

If you're un-able to get Quan' via trade, I think Dez Bryant becomes your number 2 option.


Just don't use hyphens. It's a safer bet than what you're doing.


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If McClain is there, which I just can't see, it's not even a discussion. You take him.

If you're un-able to get Quan' via trade, I think Dez Bryant becomes your number 2 option.


Just don't use hyphens. It's a safer bet than what you're doing.


Spiller isnt Ginn. Spiller can catch and run between tackles


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If McClain is there, which I just can't see, it's not even a discussion. You take him.

If you're un-able to get Quan' via trade, I think Dez Bryant becomes your number 2 option.


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Spiller isnt Ginn. Spiller can catch and run between tackles


I know he's not Ginn, I'm just sayin' he isn't what Miami needs. Miami has 4 backs that are plenty good, but no ILB worth mentioning to put alongside Crowder, no NT, no number 1 receiver. You have 4 cooking pans, so you go out to get the ingredients for cookies, and end up buying another cooking pan.

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I went with Bryant. How often do we get the chance to draft a receiver of this guy's abilities? McClain's going to be a beast in the middle, so, either way I am happy.

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Iowafin wrote:
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Spiller isnt Ginn. Spiller can catch and run between tackles


I know he's not Ginn, I'm just sayin' he isn't what Miami needs. Miami has 4 backs that are plenty good, but no ILB worth mentioning to put alongside Crowder, no NT, no number 1 receiver. You have 4 cooking pans, so you go out to get the ingredients for cookies, and end up buying another cooking pan.


What happens when Ronnie hits Free Agency at thirty. Is Ricky coming back this year?


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ggippo wrote:
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Spiller isnt Ginn. Spiller can catch and run between tackles


I know he's not Ginn, I'm just sayin' he isn't what Miami needs. Miami has 4 backs that are plenty good, but no ILB worth mentioning to put alongside Crowder, no NT, no number 1 receiver. You have 4 cooking pans, so you go out to get the ingredients for cookies, and end up buying another cooking pan.


What happens when Ronnie hits Free Agency at thirty. Is Ricky coming back this year?


You can get another back elsewhere for much greater value than Spiller at 12. Plus, Hilliard is next in line...getting a RB in this year's draft isn't necessary when you have so many other needs.

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That a tough call... it depend wht miami does during free agents...let just say come March 5th free agent comes...Fins trade 3rd round for Boldin and sign LB Dansby .....now who would you want to draft if these 4 players( above) available? I personally would want miami draft JPP from USF...and I think Crowder will benifit for having Dansby next to him...or trade down few pick and get DT Williams from Vols....your thoughts?


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That a tough call... it depend wht miami does during free agents...let just say come March 5th free agent comes...Fins trade 3rd round for Boldin and sign LB Dansby .....now who would you want to draft if these 4 players( above) available? I personally would want miami draft JPP from USF...and I think Crowder will benifit for having Dansby next to him...or trade down few pick and get DT Williams from Vols....your thoughts?


I'd say if Miami signs Dansby, then draft McClain and trade away Crowder for a 3rd or 4th rounder. There's plenty of talent in those rounds for Miami to get, or they can use those chips to move up if they so desire...I wouldn't move up in this draft...it's pretty deep in most categories, but no top tier talent except for the guys in the top 5.

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darn ggippo, I love both kids. Dez Bryant is a big, fast playmaker, a kid that could be just what the doctor order in regards to red zone and big play ability.

Rolando McClain certainly meets all the criteria of being the type of ILB that the regime likes at 6'4, 260 lbs. He smart, studies hard and has played under a guy in Saban that does a great job of preparing his players for the next level.

If Miami were to be able to sign Karlos Dansby, I would go with Dez Bryant and look to draft Micah Johnson, the big ILB from Kentucky in the 3-4th round. If the Phins were to pull off a trade for Anquan Boldin, then I go with Rolando.

If neither happens, I think Parcells surprises everybody and goes with Dez Bryant.

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ggippo, if the Broncos trade Brandon Marshall, and I think they will, you can look for them to probably take Dez Bryant.

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darn ggippo, I love both kids. Dez Bryant is a big, fast playmaker, a kid that could be just what the doctor order in regards to red zone and big play ability.

Rolando McClain certainly meets all the criteria of being the type of ILB that the regime likes at 6'4, 260 lbs. He smart, studies hard and has played under a guy in Saban that does a great job of preparing his players for the next level.

If Miami were to be able to sign Karlos Dansby, I would go with Dez Bryant and look to draft Micah Johnson, the big ILB from Kentucky in the 3-4th round. If the Phins were to pull off a trade for Anquan Boldin, then I go with Rolando.

If neither happens, I think Parcells surprises everybody and goes with Dez Bryant.


My best friend tutored Micah during his first year of college here at UK.

I've taught a couple of high profile players from UK (Trevard Lindley being the most notable). Dude is nice and has great character, but not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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I choose McClain. We need alot of help with the ILBs.

I think we have decent depth in the WR area even though we need that number 1.

Our ILB depth is just a nightmare


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As long as Micah is not an absolute airhead, I think he will be fine. You can't be a complete dummy to play the game, but you don't have to be a Rhodes Scholar like my boy Myron Rolle either.

The kid was very productive while at Kentucky and he's 6'2, 258 lbs.

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I love Micah Johnson too, SC. The kid is a stud, and if he goes anywhere else in the SEC besides Kentucky, he's a 2nd round pick at worst. The injury(ies) are a concern, but not too big of one.

The only concern I have is that he arm tackles a little too much, and over-pursues at times. Nothing Coach Sparano and Mike Nolan can't kick out of his system.

1. Dez Bryant
2. Cam Thomas
3. George Selvie
4. Micah Johnson
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You're most likely reaching if you take Cam Thomas in the 2nd.

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Phins Rock wrote:
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What happens when Ronnie hits Free Agency at thirty. Is Ricky coming back this year?


You can get another back elsewhere for much greater value than Spiller at 12. Plus, Hilliard is next in line...getting a RB in this year's draft isn't necessary when you have so many other needs.



It's not only that. In today's game, RB's are so easy to find in the draft, that you wait for it to become a need and then you draft it. Recent history difinitevely tells us that you shouldn't worry about RB when you're still a year or 2 away from needing one.

Same goes with ILB for the most part. That said, we need to go with McClain if he's available.


In todays game its easy to find any player from any position if you just have a crystal ball right? A great player is a great player no matter the position and no matter the spot drafted.


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darn ggippo, I love both kids. Dez Bryant is a big, fast playmaker, a kid that could be just what the doctor order in regards to red zone and big play ability.

Rolando McClain certainly meets all the criteria of being the type of ILB that the regime likes at 6'4, 260 lbs. He smart, studies hard and has played under a guy in Saban that does a great job of preparing his players for the next level.

If Miami were to be able to sign Karlos Dansby, I would go with Dez Bryant and look to draft Micah Johnson, the big ILB from Kentucky in the 3-4th round. If the Phins were to pull off a trade for Anquan Boldin, then I go with Rolando.

If neither happens, I think Parcells surprises everybody and goes with Dez Bryant.


I agree I like Micah too and McClain probably wont be there at 12


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In todays game its easy to find any player from any position if you just have a crystal ball right? A great player is a great player no matter the position and no matter the spot drafted.


Clearly you have high hopes for Spiller. It makes no sense to draft him. This isn't a team that can take BPA.

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Either we get Brandon Marshall, or we draft Dez Bryant. Anything short of that is a big fat failure...

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Not so sure about Denver taking Clausen at 11...


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darn ggippo, I love both kids. Dez Bryant is a big, fast playmaker, a kid that could be just what the doctor order in regards to red zone and big play ability.

Rolando McClain certainly meets all the criteria of being the type of ILB that the regime likes at 6'4, 260 lbs. He smart, studies hard and has played under a guy in Saban that does a great job of preparing his players for the next level.

If Miami were to be able to sign Karlos Dansby, I would go with Dez Bryant and look to draft Micah Johnson, the big ILB from Kentucky in the 3-4th round. If the Phins were to pull off a trade for Anquan Boldin, then I go with Rolando.

If neither happens, I think Parcells surprises everybody and goes with Dez Bryant.


I would personally love for us to get McClain and Johnson later in the draft. I LOVE the way Micah Johnson plays the game. With his injury. He could be had in the 4th or 5th. Micah Johnson is an absolute beast. Bam. ILB goes from weakness to strength. Get ourselves a NT like Mount Cody. (I am not happy about his weight.. lets be clear. But, I can't imagine how good he would be if he shed 30 lbs of fat and put it back on in muscle over the course of 2 years) Bam. Instantly our D is a heck of a lot better. Cody is consuming O-linemen. McClain and Johnson are flying all over the place smacking the crap out of people. Then they can spend the rest of the draft on TE, versatile O-line guy. OLB and maybe even a RB.

Thats not out of the realm of possibilities. Drafting McClain, Cody and Johnson. Mmmm.

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Phins Rock wrote:
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It's not only that. In today's game, RB's are so easy to find in the draft, that you wait for it to become a need and then you draft it. Recent history difinitevely tells us that you shouldn't worry about RB when you're still a year or 2 away from needing one.

Same goes with ILB for the most part. That said, we need to go with McClain if he's available.


In todays game its easy to find any player from any position if you just have a crystal ball right? A great player is a great player no matter the position and no matter the spot drafted.


Well yes. But my point is that RB's perennially come into the NFL and are very good from day 1. In today's game, there's no need to draft a RB to develope for a year. Once it's a need, take one, and you're set again.


Im not promoting Spiller as the pick but he is a player that is so good that he does warrant consideration. Develop for a year? He would get plenty of PT especially if Ricky doesnt come back. Teams don't just use one RB in "todays" nfl.


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Where does he get playing time? As a return man and at WR? Sorry, I'm not spending another top 15 pick on a guy to do just those two things, and the second one not very well...
Sorry, but getting to the point, IMO, drafting Spiller would be a complete waste of a pick, and a dumb one.


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Marino had the Marks Brothers. I know the importance of a strong defense, but I say get Bryant. Brant, Bess, Hartline and Henne can develop together.

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Rolando McClains come out almost every year.

How often to you get a chance to grab a Dez Bryant??


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What's a Dez Bryant? Year after year, receivers picked in the 1st round fail miserably in the NFL. What's so great about Dez Bryant? Compare him all you want with other receivers in the league, but picking receivers is so much of a guessing game. How hard is it to spot a good inside linebacker? What about a great one?

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As long as Micah is not an absolute airhead, I think he will be fine. You can't be a complete dummy to play the game, but you don't have to be a Rhodes Scholar like my boy Myron Rolle either.

The kid was very productive while at Kentucky and he's 6'2, 258 lbs.


Micah's a pretty smart dude. As you said, no Rhodes Scholar, but then again most people aren't.

Lindley is who I was talking about. Loved the kid when I taught him. Worked hard and was eager to please, but sometimes just didn't have it.

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Iowafin wrote:
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Rolando McClains come out almost every year.

How often to you get a chance to grab a Dez Bryant??


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What's a Dez Bryant? Year after year, receivers picked in the 1st round fail miserably in the NFL. What's so great about Dez Bryant? Compare him all you want with other receivers in the league, but picking receivers is so much of a guessing game. How hard is it to spot a good inside linebacker? What about a great one?


Im glad you two are of the opinion its a dumb pick but that doesnt mean Spiller shouldnt be an option as one of the best players on the board. Ronnie could be up for a trade for all we know.

You can find good players and busts up and down the entire draft from every position


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Rolando McClains come out almost every year.

How often to you get a chance to grab a Dez Bryant?? Not that I think either will be there at 12, but you know, maybe Dez wouldn't be such a bad choice with McClain on the board?


Umm, what?
Dude?!? Dez Bryant's come out almost every single year. Go back and look at every single draft for the past 5 years. There is a Dez Bryant like player 4 of the 5. He is nothing special. He can't hold Calvin Johnson's jock strap.

Rolando McClain on the other hand is a SPECIAL talent. He's not just the best linebacker in College football. But, he is the cream of the crop of all the linebackers in one of the strongest Draft classes I've EVER seen. Guys like him do not come about every year.

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But you are in position to get a LB every year, whether you're at 12, or 32.

You don't get a chance to grab a Dez Bryant every year.


If you think players like McClain ever make it past 10.. Then you are mistaken IMO. We will be LUCKY if he falls to us. But, I think very highly of McClain. I like Bryant... and I wouldn't be super pissed if we took him with McClain on the board. But, I think McClain will prove to be a staple on a defense for a long time.

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I hope this is just a good argument to have between taking Bryant or McClain as if EITHER is there for the Fins pick, life will be good, but as good as both these guys are, you know other teams picking ahead of us feel the same way.

If Denver trades Marshall or plans to trade him, I think they will take Dez Bryant.


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I hope this is just a good argument to have between taking Bryant or McClain as if EITHER is there for the Fins pick, life will be good, but as good as both these guys are, you know other teams picking ahead of us feel the same way.

If Denver trades Marshall or plans to trade him, I think they will take Dez Bryant.


You'd think, but how many people thought Quinn would slip to the Dolphins? How many people thought Miami would take him if he did? With all the players Denver signed at RB during the offseason, they went ahead and drafted a RB with their first pick last season.
Point is, just because it's logical doesn't mean a team will do it.

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I've read some reports, can't remember where of course, comparing CJ Spillar to Julius Jones... if that's the case... no thanks. I don't watch enough college football to know if this comparison is fair... but I'm not a huge JJ fan and I'd hate to waste the #12 pick on a guy like that.

Bryant is a fine talent, but like has been mentioned, plenty of top tier receivers come out every year. It's silly to say that it's "hard to get a top tier WR in the draft"... that's not true at all. Mario Manningham, Steve Smith and Hakeem Nicks are all looking pretty good in NYG... and that's just one team.

If McClain is there we almost have to go with him. We need inside linebacker help desperately, and it's not like our offense didn't put up points last year. We were 15th in the league with 22.5 points per game.


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Gut feeling is beginning to tell me that both McClain and Bryant will be off the board when Miami picks. Bryant may surprise and go very early and almost every team in the top ten would consider the total package McClain brings and what he could do to energize a defense.

If I'm Miami, I'm strongly considering the Dansby option to solve the ILB situation and planning on either Dan Williams at NT or Brandon Graham as an OLB. I'm starting to think Graham will be the most realistic option.


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Gut feeling is beginning to tell me that both McClain and Bryant will be off the board when Miami picks. Bryant may surprise and go very early and almost every team in the top ten would consider the total package McClain brings and what he could do to energize a defense.

If I'm Miami, I'm strongly considering the Dansby option to solve the ILB situation and planning on either Dan Williams at NT or Brandon Graham as an OLB. I'm starting to think Graham will be the most realistic option.



Graham at 12? No thanks on that reach. We ought to be concerning ourselves with how do we get more early picks in this draft.

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Gut feeling is beginning to tell me that both McClain and Bryant will be off the board when Miami picks. Bryant may surprise and go very early and almost every team in the top ten would consider the total package McClain brings and what he could do to energize a defense.

If I'm Miami, I'm strongly considering the Dansby option to solve the ILB situation and planning on either Dan Williams at NT or Brandon Graham as an OLB. I'm starting to think Graham will be the most realistic option.



Graham at 12? No thanks on that reach. We ought to be concerning ourselves with how do we get more early picks in this draft.


No...we really shouldn't. Not a top heavy draft at all...talent drops off after pick 3, and everything after is very deep.

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Iowafin wrote:
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Gut feeling is beginning to tell me that both McClain and Bryant will be off the board when Miami picks. Bryant may surprise and go very early and almost every team in the top ten would consider the total package McClain brings and what he could do to energize a defense.

If I'm Miami, I'm strongly considering the Dansby option to solve the ILB situation and planning on either Dan Williams at NT or Brandon Graham as an OLB. I'm starting to think Graham will be the most realistic option.



Graham at 12? No thanks on that reach. We ought to be concerning ourselves with how do we get more early picks in this draft.


No...we really shouldn't. Not a top heavy draft at all...talent drops off after pick 3, and everything after is very deep.


I love this term "reach"... are they still considered a "reach" if they end up being a superstar?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:16 pm 
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Iowafin wrote:
No...we really shouldn't. Not a top heavy draft at all...talent drops off after pick 3, and everything after is very deep.


Interesting. I have heard over and over how this may be the most talented draft in years.

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