You're right. I remember that one incident ......one which he responded very well to after the fact.

The two situations we have now discussed have not jeopardized the team. They are maturity issues with a guy who's a young 24 year old.

The other thing that pisses me off is why wait to trade him AFTER the whole world has seen what a jackwad you made him out to be on Hard Knocks? Talk about horrible timing and losing value.

Ireland is actually improving IMO. We just got prob a top 35 pick for a backup CB, and the 3 biggest babies on the team are now gone. They werent helping us reach the playoffs anyways so those crying about talent, cry elsewhere.

People need to understand, Ireland did his job. Coyle and Philbin deemed Davis excess so Ireland got full value.

As much as I liked Vontae, he didn't seem to really take his position seriously. I know this is gonna be a up & down year, and I'm debating doing the $unday Ticket again this year. Ive been a die hard fins fan since early 70's so I will pay the money and weep as we take our share of growing pains.

If I remember right, we had a lot of family guys on that 2007 team. ... and wow...way to spin Vontae into a backup. The minute he loses that Dolphin Jersey he is crap. LOL.

Not to mention that NE drafts extremely well, which we do not.

but we got great value

That's actually not true, New England misses as much if not more than we do. They just have Tom Brady. I can think of about 6 busted picks in their secondary alone in the past 5 years.

If I remember right, we had a lot of family guys on that 2007 team. ... and wow...way to spin Vontae into a backup. The minute he loses that Dolphin Jersey he is crap. LOL.

I am shocked. Davis is a solid corner with work ethic problems.

Unless Ireland tried to negotiate an extension and his side was off the charts I do not understand the trade.

But being he is in a contract year, it was now or never to get something in return aside from a supp pic...
Would rather have him out there than the scab that Ryan was lighting up Fri night...

I know right ... LOL

Too bad his own secondary coach could be heard saying how good he thought VD could be on Hard Knocks.

VD has 2 years left on his deal.

Talent on the field wins football games ..... not "value". Which coincidentally is why we're also in a pickle with our putrid WR core.

we have 2 picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds next year. New England gets applause for moves like this.
Many times from guys right on this site.

just responding to your statement about getting value. We definitely did.

Really, darn so much for that theory...

I made the same mistake earlier in training camp when they released our the first depth chart.

Value?? Are you kidding me?

What the hell do you expect to get out of that 2nd round pick?

What the hell do you expect to get out of that 2nd round pick?

Not to mention that NE drafts extremely well, which we do not.

Yeah for some reason i was thinking 4 years.


Reading we got a 2nd and conditional 6th for him...

Also have some more cap room too. They could very well be trying to bring in a WR via trade...
Figure GB and Balto are stacked at WR...

Davis wasn't the type of player new Dolphins head coach Joe Philbin wants in his locker room. Philbin is weeding out players like Davis, Marshall and Chad Johnson and moving on, regardless of talent.

Illinois head coach Ron Zook did not start him versus Iowa in 2008 because reportedly felt he wasn't playing as well as he could. Lack of visible improvement from sophomore to junior year is a concern. We've been told by multiple sources that he lacks proper respect for coaches and he only works hard when he's in the mood to do so. Vontae's brother is 49er TE Vernon Davis, who is currently underachieving in the NFL.

This is not the way you rebuild.

Vontae was young, and our best player at a PREMIUM position in today's game.

We and the team constantly complain that the Defense doesn't create enough turnovers, but then we trade the only DB who creates any? Just stupid....

This is not the way you rebuild.

Vontae was young, and our best player at a PREMIUM position in today's game.

We and the team constantly complain that the Defense doesn't create enough turnovers, but then we trade the only DB who creates any? Just stupid....

100% correct. As I have said prior. Constant change brings no change. Miami continues the cycle of giving away good players for little.
Miami has now traded their best offensive player, their best DB for unknown picks.

Seeing what they did with the 3rd this year does not encourage me that they will do anything of value with this pick. We will sit & watch Davis continue his career with another team.

Quote:

Perhaps no other AFC East pick in the 2012 draft was more controversial than the New England Patriots’ selection of little-known defensive back Tavon Wilson of Illinois. Wilson, New England’s second-round pick, was the 24th rated safety by Scouts Inc. and wasn’t even invited to the NFL combine.




WilsonThis was viewed as a major reach by Patriots head coach Bill Belichick, who vehemently defended the pick. But looking deeper, Belichick's track record in the second round has been questionable for the past 10 drafts.

Here’s a look at Belichick’s picks in the second round since 2003:

2011: CB Ras-I Dowling and RB Shane Vereen
2010: LB Jermaine Cunningham, TE Rob Gronkowski, LB Brandon Spikes
2009: CB Darius Butler, S Pat Chung, DT Ron Brace, OT Sebastian Vollmer
2008: CB Terrence Wheatley
2006: WR Chad Jackson
2004: DE Marquise Hill
2003: S Eugene Wilson and WR Bethel Johnson

Of this group, Gronkowski and Vollmer are definite hits. Spikes and Chung have potential but need to prove they can stay healthy for a full season.

For the second round, two stud players in 14 picks (14.3 percent) is a low success rate. If you’re generous and include Chung and Spikes, that’s still only 28.5 percent.

Mike Reiss of ESPNBoston.com wrote a good column this weekend that Belichick should be trusted with the pick of Wilson. But history shows Belichick struggles in the second round, particularly with defensive backs. Butler and Wheatley were recent busts. Dowling didn't play last season and gets a chance to show what he can do this year.

This is not the way you rebuild.

I said this before, but if they were gonna trade him why on Earth did they wait until AFTER he's being portrayed poorly on Hard Knocks? Why not trade him before the draft?

I said this before, but if they were gonna trade him why on Earth did they wait until AFTER he's being portrayed poorly on Hard Knocks? Why not trade him before the draft?

I am staying patient on this move and seeing if they have a trade for a veteran wide receiver up their sleeve.

In addition, I am all for giving Philbin a chance to see if "his" system becomes successful for Miami.

I like his attention to detail and quest for perfection in practices and teaching proper techniques and he will not stand for anything less than 100 percent out of the players.

No question, Vontae had some talent, but there were also legit knocks against him too.

I understand everyone wants to win now, but we just changed regime's again and you need to give some things time. Brand new coaching staff, rookie Quarterback, personnel changes.....we have to understand this team is not going to the Superbowl overnight.

Patience, it is still preseason.

He didn't lose his starting job yet. Or come in out of shape yet again

Great post!

How much cap space does this save?

Davis wasn't the type of player new Dolphins head coach Joe Philbin wants in his locker room. Philbin is weeding out players like Davis, Marshall and Chad Johnson and moving on, regardless of talent.

I am staying patient on this move and seeing if they have a trade for a veteran wide receiver up their sleeve.

In addition, I am all for giving Philbin a chance to see if "his" system becomes successful for Miami.

I like his attention to detail and quest for perfection in practices and teaching proper techniques and he will not stand for anything less than 100 percent out of the players.

No question, Vontae had some talent, but there were also legit knocks against him too.

I understand everyone wants to win now, but we just changed regime's again and you need to give some things time. Brand new coaching staff, rookie Quarterback, personnel changes.....we have to understand this team is not going to the Superbowl overnight.

Patience, it is still preseason.

And it seems with the proper editing Hard Knocks is a great tool to justify some moves.