Miami is always making deals from the weak side of things instead of strength.

What quality 3rd corner will be available for a 3rd?

Vontae Sux because we traded him, obviously overrated

Yup...preseason means everything...haven't you been following the QB debate?

Carroll is a much, much cheaper option as a 3rd corner than Davis. You need to think like a GM, not as an angry fan.

And that is a valid point. I just feel that if the coach feels the player is not a fit I rather get rid of him now than trying to fit the program to the player or worse wait till we are a contender and VD is a distraction, older and untradeable. Vontae couldn't keep up with tempo of practice...wasn't making the plays when given the opportunity hence now he's gone. I think we made off well considering where we drafted him and his level of play. Now as others like ROCK SEXTON (see what I did there? I added your name) have pointed out those picks are unknowns.... the front office needs to deliver with those picks.

I don't have a magic crystal ball so I'm hoping for the best. Just my .02 does not mean it is right or wrong.

You also generally get what you pay for.

thats just how he is.

If they trade for that POS I believe heads will explode. Especially if they give up anything more than a 6th Rd. pick.

You're supposing you're capable of thinking like a GM?

Priceless.

The talent disparity between VD and Carol is the size of the Grand Canyon. VD is cheap considering his rookie contract.

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i would hope that it's a joint effort

Hopium.

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VD had 2 years left on his contract .... the whopping 5 year $10.25 million rookie one.

Thanks. I really didn't know his contract or what was left. I'll wait and see. I get the feeling that guys like Marshall, Chad, and Vontae will not be tolerated on this team. Not saying Vontae did anything, but coming to work out of shape two years in a row and losing his job is unexceptable. Look at the brightside. We got a 2nd and 6th for our nickel back....lol

Since Ireland acquired both players, then it appears its not Ireland.

He would have been their starter by Wk 3.

I'd rather have a cohesive secondary with 3 quality CB's. That's just me ....

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do you like being a dolphin fan just so you can come on this site and start crap with everyone. I remeber when you were one of the cooler members here. Boy has that changed.

He would have been their starter by Wk 3.

Would have could have, but he wasn't. He was #3 on the depth chart for whatever reason.

You know, Vontae was a great player for us. We are deep there. Let's wait a few days and see if they can parlay this into a deal for a quality WR. If that happens, I think everyone will agree it was a good move. Right now, we just don't know.

Rock is just salty because he just bought his new Nike Vontae Davis jersey yesterday

Another issue though is that we've known we needed a new WR for how long now? If that scenario were to play out then why are they waiting so long to pull the trigger on a potential trade?

It's stuff like that man, which leaves me with less confidence than I had heading into this season.

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I'm sure the Steelers have been offered a 2nd for Wallace already. Not sure why this one would make them move. Outside that I cannot think of any Wr worth trading for worth giving up that 2nd for.

Ben Volin is saying that Vontae had 2 years, 2.09 million left. His cap number was 974K I believe I saw for this season, so it was like 1.1 million next year.

Not going to find a cheaper "nickel corner" out there....Not that Vontae was legitimately our nickel, and he certainly wouldn't last past Houston in that role.

Based on the Atlanta game, Vontae is close to being where he has been the last couple of years, and Marshall looks like garbage. That, on top of no pass rush outside of 91 and the worst group of safeties in the league, and this defense is going to be picked apart consistently this season.

At least we can throw the ball and keep pace!!..........Oh wait.

I honestly can't see us picking outside the top 5 next year. Even with the schedule, we're a 5 win team at absolute best. Cleveland and Arizona are the only 2 teams that I'm somewhat comfortable saying are worse than we are.

You know, Vontae was a great player for us

I'd say "good" player. He has talent and speed but what has he really done? I agree junkie,let's wait and see.

Miami is deep there? Really? You calling Smith, Marshall, Carroll deep? Miami is extremely weak in the D backfield.

At this point I'd be willing to offer than two 2nd round picks. Next year is a pretty weak WR class, and Wallace is the best chance at a number one we'll have for (likely) 2 years.

No.

Lol. Good response.

But seriously, why not? Realistically, (especially given Ireland's history), you're only hitting on one of those 2 picks anyway. Good luck finding a player of Wallace's caliber in the 2nd round...

nope, i knew who he was because i'm an informed, knowledgeable football fan.
Just because you never heard of him you dismiss him.
I understand, you just need to have a big name 1st round pick to feel comfortable about who is playing corner. You keep losing credibility.

Actually, I live in Arizona and watch Cardinals games all the time. I'm very well familiar with Richard Marshall. I never once mentioned anything about needing a 1st round draft pick manning one of the corner spots. Yet another made up argument.

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That statement puts this trade in great perspective. Just don't tell Rock Sexton because the truth obviously hurts.

Best post of the day! LOL.
Except it is like one out of ten at the moment. He does better trading them.

Hopefully Ireland will not be in Miami. Wallace was a 3rd Rd. pick.

Miami has to many holes to spend 2 high picks for one player.

Ya, over the hill injury-prone 31 year old with a huge price tag vs. a guy on the 4th year of a cheap rookie contract who's considered a potential all-pro with conditioning issues.

Apples to Oranges.

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thats' you're exaggerated opinion. This front office was not going to give him a big new contract past his rookie contract so why wait? they did the inevitable. You're the only one talking about davis like he's Darrelle Revis.

Never mentioned Darrelle Revis or even remotely compared their talents.

More made up arguments. That's all you got man.

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And you created one more by trading Vontae, for a pick you very likely can't replace him with. Just stupid.

Btw, why would Ireland do this if he was afraid of being fired? I think it's clear Ross has given him a full chance to rebuild this team "the right way"...Problem is Ireland is overkilling the obsession with acquiring draft picks.

And like apostos said, Ireland's track record in the 2nd round is much less than 50%. Even if you do hit on one of those 2 picks, you're likely only "filling a hole" with an average player...Wallace not only fills the biggest hole on the roster, but it gives us a BIG TIME playmaker at the position.

The draft, especially early, in today's game is about acquiring playmakers at playmaking positions. Acquiring Wallace does that. Keeping the 2 2nd round picks will likely result in 2 more Koa Misi's....

thats the problem with this argument. Fans here have convinced themselves that Davis was great. He wasn't.

Funny after several years of hindsight, I see a former coach who wasn't the resident draft expert, he was suppose to be either. Yes, he got us Zach and Jason, and I'm eternally grateful. Thank's for the Wanny years coach, grab some nachos and go back to your boat.

i think next year's are better than this draft. Woods and Allen in the top 10

Not to ramble on here, but eventually these trades have to have some substance.

You can trade Marshall and Vontae and whoever else for picks....

But at this point it's like you acquiring picks for the sake of acquiring picks. Trading a good young player for another unknown 2nd rate talent is dumb.

Agree