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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:17 am 
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Twitter is ablaze with the news, so I don't feel the need to link any particular article / tweet.

For me, this is the epitome of Ross' ignornace. This franchise will be stuck in neutral until Ross gets the cahunas to let Grier go. I mean... how many failures and poor decisions has this guy been part of? It's a downright shame he's still here and has "power" in this franchise.

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Chris Grier enters his 22nd season with the Miami Dolphins and sixth as the club's general manager. Grier was appointed general manager on Jan. 4, 2016 after spending the previous nine years as the team's director of college scouting.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:28 am 
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The Don wrote:
Twitter is ablaze with the news, so I don't feel the need to link any particular article / tweet.

For me, this is the epitome of Ross' ignornace. This franchise will be stuck in neutral until Ross gets the cahunas to let Grier go. I mean... how many failures and poor decisions has this guy been part of? It's a downright shame he's still here and has "power" in this franchise.

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Chris Grier enters his 22nd season with the Miami Dolphins and sixth as the club's general manager. Grier was appointed general manager on Jan. 4, 2016 after spending the previous nine years as the team's director of college scouting.


He's keeping Grier in case he doesn't land Harbaugh. If he lands Harbaugh, Grier will be packing his bags.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:34 am 
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Sounds like Harbaugh is bound for Vegas.

Miami wouldn't be smart enough to keep it's interest quiet. Ross would be flying on a winged unicorn to Michigan right now if Harbaugh was the target.


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Some names I've read on the Tweeter were:
Pederson
Harbaugh
Kellen Moore
and someone else... I can't remember now. My brain has gone numb to it all.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:39 am 
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Some names I've read on the Tweeter were:
Pederson
Harbaugh
Kellen Moore
and someone else... I can't remember now. My brain has gone numb to it all.


Please no more rookie head coaches.

Didn't Harbaugh flee San Fran for the exact reason Flores was fired? Rubbing people the wrong way and being overbearing?

I think czar comes first, then we'll know which direction they go.


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Wasn't sure where to put this so I'll post here. Omar Kelly tweeting that it is fiction that Flores was the only one who wanted Deshaun Watson. He says owner, GM, coach and PLAYERS wanted Watson in Miami.

Now I get some of that. If you're a player, just want to win and don't really care about the legal situation then of course you want Watson. A lot of these guys are really young, not yet fathers or family men, and probably see things through a different lens.

But this makes me wonder (I'll admit Omar has been wrong before) if Tua is safe? Omar did throw out that plan B was Kirk Cousins. I could also see Miami liking a couple guys in this draft (Kenny Pickett comes to mind).

We may have more drama on our hands in the next couple of months.


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There are too many conflicting reports coming out, we probably won't know all the details until someone writes a memoir 20 years from now. But, it is interesting trying to keep up with it all.


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Thanks for putting that out there Jammer........now does anyone know who wanted Tua? Was there disagreement? It seems they were ready to move on from him as soon as his plane touched down in Miami.


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Thanks for putting that out there Jammer........now does anyone know who wanted Tua? Was there disagreement? It seems they were ready to move on from him as soon as his plane touched down in Miami.


I read from Allbright that Tua was an ownership pick from the start. I buy that and it adds up when you recall Rich Eisen saying he heard Ross/Miami was all about Tua after the 2018 title game.

I believe Miami's interview of Daboll is a combination of seeing if he can be the guy AND to see what his evaluation of Tua is.

But don't forget that a new coach may want HIS GUY and that Grier is more than happy to get the coach what he wants.

The last time I said it was better to wait a year for QBs was 2017. You got Mahomes and Watson out of that draft. 2018 gave you Josh Allen, but other big names are either question marks (Mayfield and Jackson) or busts (Darnold and Rosen).

I still think giving Tua another year is the smart play, but it wouldn't shock me to see Miami pick a QB either.


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Holy * 22 seasons? Dayum

ArtieChokePhin wrote:
He's keeping Grier in case he doesn't land Harbaugh. If he lands Harbaugh, Grier will be packing his bags.


Hmmm….I’m not on the Harbaugh train but who knows

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Ross would be flying on a winged unicorn to Michigan right now if Harbaugh was the target.


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Wasn't sure where to put this so I'll post here. Omar Kelly tweeting that it is fiction that Flores was the only one who wanted Deshaun Watson. He says owner, GM, coach and PLAYERS wanted Watson in Miami.
Yes he was and I know many really make googly eyes at Harbaugh, but the man has never won anything. Not as a player nor a coach. He is 1-5 against OSU and 1-5 in bowl games. Whats his record against top ten teams? He lost the only SB he went to. So basically he is a coach that is good enough to get you there. However, do not expect to win the big game.

I know some are pumped they fired Flores, but lets get real here. Is anyone so sure that if we are all alive in Jan. 2025 that we are not in the same situation? Not one coach has lasted more than 3-4 yrs since Shula retired. That was in 1995. Almost 30 yrs.

I'm a fan, but I have resigned myself that I will leave this Earth with Miami Dolphins being a laughing stock of the NFL after spending the first 30 Yrs with them being a top team.


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Tua won’t do it because he is a high character guy. But if I’m him, I’m flipping the Dolphins the bird and demanding to be traded.

If the coaches, gm AND players don’t want me here, then screw it, I’ll out.

This organization is just pathetic.


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Ross and Grier is a train wreck. Some will spin it but it is pretty clear this fish rots from the head.


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The Don wrote:
Tua won’t do it because he is a high character guy. But if I’m him, I’m flipping the Dolphins the bird and demanding to be traded.


Tua won't but word is that his agent may force his way out of town


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Wasn't sure where to put this so I'll post here. Omar Kelly tweeting that it is fiction that Flores was the only one who wanted Deshaun Watson. He says owner, GM, coach and PLAYERS wanted Watson in Miami.
Yes he was and I know many really make googly eyes at Harbaugh, but the man has never won anything. Not as a player nor a coach. He is 1-5 against OSU and 1-5 in bowl games. Whats his record against top ten teams? He lost the only SB he went to. So basically he is a coach that is good enough to get you there. However, do not expect to win the big game.

I know some are pumped they fired Flores, but lets get real here. Is anyone so sure that if we are all alive in Jan. 2025 that we are not in the same situation? Not one coach has lasted more than 3-4 yrs since Shula retired. That was in 1995. Almost 30 yrs.

I'm a fan, but I have resigned myself that I will leave this Earth with Miami Dolphins being a laughing stock of the NFL after spending the first 30 Yrs with them being a top team.


Not following. Not sure I said anything about Harbaugh being an actual target.


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jammer wrote:
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Tua won’t do it because he is a high character guy. But if I’m him, I’m flipping the Dolphins the bird and demanding to be traded.


Tua won't but word is that his agent may force his way out of town


Aside from the first drive, I thought that Tua's game was off from what he showed us prior to the Titans game. I think the politics is getting to him. Not only that, but chances are that Flores was going to shake up the OC position again (and it certainly is now). I've laughed at the Jets futility in ruining rookie QBs, but I cannot see a worst situation for a QB as Tua has endured. Now, for his 3rd season he will be learning a new offense. That's just wonderful.

I'm not totally convinced that Miami's OL talent is horrible, as I think most of it is coaching. If you read a lot of analysis on most of our failed OL prior to being drafted, many of the scouts raved about them. But, we can't rely on that. We MUST bring in 2 OTs and a center through free agency and the draft.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:42 am 
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Apparently Ross hasn't learned from Sparano/Ireland/Philbin. By keeping Grier, you've tied your hands and you are limited in your choices of head coaching candidates.


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Aside from the first drive, I thought that Tua's game was off from what he showed us prior to the Titans game. I think the politics is getting to him.


I don't think so. I think this guy named Bill Bellicheck got to him. I thought to myself as I saw the drive that it will be the last drive the Dolphins will have where Tua slices up the Pats like that. No one adjusts better on defense than Bellicheck.

And the system the Dolphins are running is easy to adjust to. Tennessee figured it out by covering the underneath stuff and forcing Tua to go downfield in bad weather.

You know how it is in the NFL. People get film of what you are doing and figure it out and counter it. And you need to be able to counter it right back.

So what is the counter for teams taking away the underneath stuff? Attacking the second and third level of the defense.

But in order to do that, you need time in the pocket. And as PFF proved, we literally have the worst offensive line the Universe has ever seen.

So there is your explanation for why Tua struggled towards the end of the season.

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Aside from the first drive, I thought that Tua's game was off from what he showed us prior to the Titans game. I think the politics is getting to him.


I don't think so. I think this guy named Bill Bellicheck got to him. I thought to myself as I saw the drive that it will be the last drive the Dolphins will have where Tua slices up the Pats like that. No one adjusts better on defense than Bellicheck.

And the system the Dolphins are running is easy to adjust to. Tennessee figured it out by covering the underneath stuff and forcing Tua to go downfield in bad weather.

You know how it is in the NFL. People get film of what you are doing and figure it out and counter it. And you need to be able to counter it right back.

So what is the counter for teams taking away the underneath stuff? Attacking the second and third level of the defense.

But in order to do that, you need time in the pocket. And as PFF proved, we literally have the worst offensive line the Universe has ever seen.

So there is your explanation for why Tua struggled towards the end of the season.


You mean you have to think past the first initial chess move? I'm not confident our 2 (two) offensive coordinators were capable of such. Especially against some of the more elite D coordinators / coaches.

And not only do you need an offensive line that is capable of providing protection, you need a running game that can mix it up and other teams respect, and you also need WR's who are capable of gaining separation and getting open. ANd I don't rememeber the stats, but I'm confident this WR group was among the worst in the category as well. But hey, Tua sucks.


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Rich wrote:
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Aside from the first drive, I thought that Tua's game was off from what he showed us prior to the Titans game. I think the politics is getting to him.


I don't think so. I think this guy named Bill Bellicheck got to him. I thought to myself as I saw the drive that it will be the last drive the Dolphins will have where Tua slices up the Pats like that. No one adjusts better on defense than Bellicheck.


I hope you are right about this, Rich. I'd hate to think we ruined this kid between the ears.

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I would think that Grier would work well with any head coach, so, I don't see the issues that those in the national media are saying. We saw differences in his draft picks and free agent acquisitions while Gase's GM and Flores' GM. I would probably call him the head coach listener. I think things got so bad between Grier and Flores that Grier went to Ross and said he wanted him fired.

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Q: Chris Grier has the scouting chops and the respect in the NFL circles as a good player personnel man but does he have the personality to be the leader of your organization? By all accounts be is a nice quiet man but does he have the presence to demand respect as the head man?

POUPART: Grier has the type of personality that makes him ideal to work for an organization that puts a premium on collaboration and communication, which is what Stephen Ross emphasized at the press conference to discuss Brian Flores’ firing. The Dolphins’ power structure — in terms of who has final say — has been a bit of a mystery for a while now, though it doesn’t seem it’s never really required an alpha GM. If that’s what Ross eventually wants, then you’re right that Grier isn’t really that type of guy.


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If the stories about Flores are true, then Grier should have pushed to fire him sooner….I wonder whether or not he asked? If not, then maybe he is just too darn nice and accommodating.


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If the stories about Flores are true, then Grier should have pushed to fire him sooner….I wonder whether or not he asked? If not, then maybe he is just too darn nice and accommodating.


There wasn't a viable replacement so it was best to ride out the season. But Ross and Grier clearly planned to fire him a while ago.


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If the stories about Flores are true, then Grier should have pushed to fire him sooner….I wonder whether or not he asked? If not, then maybe he is just too darn nice and accommodating.


There wasn't a viable replacement so it was best to ride out the season. But Ross and Grier clearly planned to fire him a while ago.


I mean he was fired right after the season ended so yeah, this was in the works.

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