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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:48 pm 
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He has us picking 26th.

WR Jahan Dotson - Penn State

Quick Notes: Speedster. 91 catches, 1,182 yards and 12 TD’s in 2021. Explosive with the ball in his hands.


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Not going to help much without a line and a running game. Plus two speedsters?? We need a big guy who can catch jump balls if anything.

Kiper is and always has been moronic.


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ArtieChokePhin wrote:
Not going to help much without a line and a running game. Plus two speedsters?? We need a big guy who can catch jump balls if anything.

Kiper is and always has been moronic.


He noted that by the time wepick, there won’t be any 1st round caliber guys left.

His idea was Tua needs someone to go with Waddle to get the ball out quickly t to.


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Kiper & Whoopi Goldberg are on the same level & influence of football prognostication to me. Similar hairstyles.

If they do go receiver in R1 and he underwhelms, everybody who has any influence in that decision whatsoever should be fired. This team suffered last season because the OL, the pillar of the offense couldn’t block one squirrel from getting a nut. I vehemently disagree with Kiper.

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AFCMiamiEast wrote:
Kiper & Whoopi Goldberg are on the same level & influence of football prognostication to me. Similar hairstyles.

If they do go receiver in R1 and he underwhelms, everybody who has any influence in that decision whatsoever should be fired. This team suffered last season because the OL, the pillar of the offense couldn’t block one squirrel from getting a nut. I vehemently disagree with Kiper.

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I could see Mel in a nun outfit, starring in a modern version of Sister Act. It’s 2022, he could pull it i off.


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Interesting. Depending on what we do in free agency, this may be a very good pick for the Dolphins. The thing about free agency is to add players at your weak positions in order give you more flexibility in the draft. Waddle did help open up the offense for Tua by giving him a speedster who gave him separation right from the snap. I actually like it.

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26. Miami Dolphins (via SF)

Jahan Dotson, WR, Penn State

Miami has used significant assets to build its offense around quarterback Tua Tagovailoa, but not every move has worked out, particularly along the offensive line. They've used three top-50 picks on the O-line in the past two drafts, and none of the three -- Austin Jackson, Liam Eichenberg and Robert Hunt -- is a surefire above-average starter. With Trevor Penning off the board in the previous pick, though, I don't have another lineman with a Round 1 grade. So let's address another spot to help Tagovailoa with this pick, which comes from the 49ers' trade up in last year's draft.

Dotson is a speedster who had 91 catches for 1,182 yards and 12 scores in 2021. Jaylen Waddle caught 104 passes as a rookie, but the best way to help Tagovailoa is to get him another pass-catcher who can make plays after the catch. Dotson is explosive with the ball in his hands and has the versatility to line up all over the field.

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I don't pay for ESPN. Are both Nakobe Dean and Devin LLoyd off the board?

How about Treylon Burks?

I like Dotson a lot and think he is a good fit, but more of a 2nd Round guy. Remember that Miami was supposed to have Will Fuller as an additional speed threat so the logic here is sound in terms of opening up the field. Just not sure you reach for a position rather than take BPA.


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jammer wrote:
I don't pay for ESPN. Are both Nakobe Dean and Devin LLoyd off the board?

How about Treylon Burks?

I like Dotson a lot and think he is a good fit, but more of a 2nd Round guy. Remember that Miami was supposed to have Will Fuller as an additional speed threat so the logic here is sound in terms of opening up the field. Just not sure you reach for a position rather than take BPA.


Only because I heart you jammer. Only because.

1. Jacksonville - Aidan Hutchinson - DE Michigan
2. Detroit - Kayvon Thibodeaux - DE Oregon
3. Houston - Evan Neal - OT Alabama
4. NY Jets - Kyle Hamilton - S Notre Dame
5. NY Giants - Ikem Ekwonu - OT NC State
6. Carolina - Charles Cross - OT Miss. St.
7. NY Giants via CHI - David Ojabo - OLB Michigan
8. Atlanta - Derek Stingley Jr. - C LSU
9. Denver - Nakobe Dean - ILB Georgia
10. NY Jets via SEA - Drake London - WR USC
11. Washington - Malik Willis - QB Liberty
12. Minnestora - Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner - CB Cincinnati
13. Cleveland - Garrett Wilson - WR Ohio ST.
14. Baltimore - Tyler Linderbaum - C Iowa
15. Philly - Devin Lloyd - ILB Utah
16. Philly via IND - Arnold Ebiketie - DE Penn St.
17. LA Chargers - Jordan Davis - DT Georgia
18. Saints - Kenny Pickett - QB Pitt
19. Philly - Chris Olave - WR Ohio St.
20. Steelers - Matt Corral - QB Ole Miss
21. Pats - Jameson Williams - WR Alabama (please God, no.)
22. Raiders - Andrew Booth Jr. - CB Clemson
23. Cardinals - George Karlaftis - DE Purdue
24. Dallas - Travon Walker - DE Georgia
25. Cincy - Treor Penning - OT Northern Iowa
26. Fins - Jahan Dotson - WR Penn St.
27. Buffalo - Trent McDuffie - CB Washington
28. Lions - Sam Howell - QB North Carolina
29. Chiefs - Cameron Thomas - DE San Diego St.
30. Bucs - DeMarvin Leal - DL Texas A&M
31. Titans - Kyler Gordon - CB Washinton
32. Packers - Trey McBride - TE Corolado St.

I am not responsible for my own self misspelling all of these names. I am not a professional.


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The Don wrote:
Only because I heart you jammer. Only because.


Hahahaha.

Thank you.


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The Don wrote:
1. Jacksonville - Aidan Hutchinson - DE Michigan
2. Detroit - Kayvon Thibodeaux - DE Oregon
3. Houston - Evan Neal - OT Alabama
4. NY Jets - Kyle Hamilton - S Notre Dame
5. NY Giants - Ikem Ekwonu - OT NC State
6. Carolina - Charles Cross - OT Miss. St.
7. NY Giants via CHI - David Ojabo - OLB Michigan
8. Atlanta - Derek Stingley Jr. - C LSU
9. Denver - Nakobe Dean - ILB Georgia
10. NY Jets via SEA - Drake London - WR USC
11. Washington - Malik Willis - QB Liberty
12. Minnestora - Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner - CB Cincinnati
13. Cleveland - Garrett Wilson - WR Ohio ST.
14. Baltimore - Tyler Linderbaum - C Iowa
15. Philly - Devin Lloyd - ILB Utah
16. Philly via IND - Arnold Ebiketie - DE Penn St.
17. LA Chargers - Jordan Davis - DT Georgia
18. Saints - Kenny Pickett - QB Pitt
19. Philly - Chris Olave - WR Ohio St.
20. Steelers - Matt Corral - QB Ole Miss
21. Pats - Jameson Williams - WR Alabama (please God, no.)
22. Raiders - Andrew Booth Jr. - CB Clemson
23. Cardinals - George Karlaftis - DE Purdue
24. Dallas - Travon Walker - DE Georgia
25. Cincy - Treor Penning - OT Northern Iowa
26. Fins - Jahan Dotson - WR Penn St.
27. Buffalo - Trent McDuffie - CB Washington
28. Lions - Sam Howell - QB North Carolina
29. Chiefs - Cameron Thomas - DE San Diego St.
30. Bucs - DeMarvin Leal - DL Texas A&M
31. Titans - Kyler Gordon - CB Washinton
32. Packers - Trey McBride - TE Corolado St.


Alright, so just my thoughts given what I've read and have seen so far. Malik Willis won't be the first QB off the board and he sure won't be going to Washington. They attempted to trade for Tua and are looking for that type of QB.

Charles Cross will go before Evan Neal. I know Neal is the bigger name but Cross seems like the better player.

Devin Lloyd is more complete than Nakobe Dean, and I doubt both are top 20 picks.

I don't think Sam Howell nor Malik Willis are 1st Round QBs. But teams will reach. Its possible I'm being too hard on Howell because he played on a bad team. Willis is being billed as Lamar Jackson but I think he is more Jordan Love from a processing standpoint.

If Trevor Penning is still available at 24 Miami may want to move up and grab him. He is the type of OL power guy the team needs.

Jahan Dotson or Treylon Burks are fine options. Depends on what Miami does in free agency. They need another speed guy and a Devante Parker replacement (I don't see him being a top 3 option this year).


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There is no question that Dotson will fit with Tua and the offense can go nuts with him and Waddle racing all over the field.

But can the OL block long enough for those plays to develop? Will the opposing secondary be able to sit back and contain the offense if there are limitations?


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jammer wrote:
There is no question that Dotson will fit with Tua and the offense can go nuts with him and Waddle racing all over the field.

But can the OL block long enough for those plays to develop? Will the opposing secondary be able to sit back and contain the offense if there are limitations?


That's the elephant in the room, right? Seems like a lot of this new regime's success / failure will be based on "if they can fix the line".

In my opinion, one player like Dotson won't "get us there" in terms of making or breaking next year. We aren't "one piece away" from anything. Not sure what that relates to how we should draft. Just my .02 on it.

I guess my "rather" would be... spend some coin on as solid of a foundation we can for this o-line to protect Tua, find a GOOD running back... and let's see what we can do with it.

I think the defense has a bunch of good young pieces on it.


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Can the OL develop in it's 2nd year? We have a lot of young guys.


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Not sure why Kiper has Cross going so high. If the draft had some quality OT's, he'd be projected for the second round. I was thinking he'd go late in the first round. Cross is a big time reach in this mock.


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Big Dave wrote:
Interesting. Depending on what we do in free agency, this may be a very good pick for the Dolphins. The thing about free agency is to add players at your weak positions in order give you more flexibility in the draft. Waddle did help open up the offense for Tua by giving him a speedster who gave him separation right from the snap. I actually like it.


Exactly. We have not been able to develop lineman we draft for years now. We have the cap space to invest in two proven OL players, and we should get ones who would be good mentors to bring along (in ways our coaches could not do) some subset of Dieter, Jackson, Kindley, and Eichelberg. They can't all four be hopeless. Two new guys, Hunt, and two of the above should be a good line.

It used to be that it took several years for WR to make an impact once they go to the NFL. But for whatever reason (perhaps the number of pro-set offenses in college now), that is no longer true. Waddle, Chase, Pitts, and D.Smith all had excellent years, as did a few later picks. So, let's draft a WR in the first and a RB in the second and fix the OL via free agency.


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Big Dave wrote:
Interesting. Depending on what we do in free agency, this may be a very good pick for the Dolphins. The thing about free agency is to add players at your weak positions in order give you more flexibility in the draft. Waddle did help open up the offense for Tua by giving him a speedster who gave him separation right from the snap. I actually like it.


Exactly. We have not been able to develop lineman we draft for years now. We have the cap space to invest in two proven OL players, and we should get ones who would be good mentors to bring along (in ways our coaches could not do) some subset of Dieter, Jackson, Kindley, and Eichelberg. They can't all four be hopeless. Two new guys, Hunt, and two of the above should be a good line.

It used to be that it took several years for WR to make an impact once they go to the NFL. But for whatever reason (perhaps the number of pro-set offenses in college now), that is no longer true. Waddle, Chase, Pitts, and D.Smith all had excellent years, as did a few later picks. So, let's draft a WR in the first and a RB in the second and fix the OL via free agency.


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ArtieChokePhin wrote:
Not sure why Kiper has Cross going so high. If the draft had some quality OT's, he'd be projected for the second round. I was thinking he'd go late in the first round. Cross is a big time reach in this mock.


I think he's the first OL off the board. Dude is like Laremy Tunsil.


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So here is the issue with saying "get OL in free agency." (which of course I have been advocating for).

Who is available? Not a ton of quality options. Orlando Brown on the Chiefs might be the best name but I haven't followed him. Terron Armstead comes with the hype but has injury issues. Ryan Jensen just got hurt last weekend. The rest are meh.

Might be in Miami's best interest to think about trading some picks for guys on teams with awful cap situations. If you're drafting bottom of Rd 1 then go get yourself a top 20 OT.

I'd like to think Eichenberg kicks inside to LG and RG is settled with Hunt. If Eichenberg can train and handle RT then things will be much better.

We should also start talking about RBs to draft.


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I would happily trade our 1st pick for a stud OT if there were one available. I wonder what Tunsil will cost? ;)


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I would happily trade our 1st pick for a stud OT if there were one available. I wonder what Tunsil will cost? ;)


I wouldn't deal with Casserio. Waste of time.


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jammer wrote:
So here is the issue with saying "get OL in free agency." (which of course I have been advocating for).

Who is available? Not a ton of quality options. Orlando Brown on the Chiefs might be the best name but I haven't followed him. Terron Armstead comes with the hype but has injury issues. Ryan Jensen just got hurt last weekend. The rest are meh.

Might be in Miami's best interest to think about trading some picks for guys on teams with awful cap situations. If you're drafting bottom of Rd 1 then go get yourself a top 20 OT.

I'd like to think Eichenberg kicks inside to LG and RG is settled with Hunt. If Eichenberg can train and handle RT then things will be much better.

We should also start talking about RBs to draft.


A mediocre offensive line would be a massive upgrade over the worst offensive line the entire 3rd, 4th and 5 dimension have ever seen.

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k-dash wrote:
I would happily trade our 1st pick for a stud OT if there were one available. I wonder what Tunsil will cost? ;)


Just for ha-ha's, Tunsil currently has 2 years and $53 million left on his deal with Houston. But he's only 27 years old.

I can't Caserio trading him for less than a pair of 1st Rounders.


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A mediocre offensive line would be a massive upgrade over the worst offensive line the entire 3rd, 4th and 5 dimension have ever seen.


Agreed. Just not sure much of what you'll find in free agency will be an upgrade or a healthy alternative.

The key is getting a good OL coach in there.

Ted Karras went from below average center in Miami to a quality starting guard in New England this year.


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k-dash wrote:
I would happily trade our 1st pick for a stud OT if there were one available. I wonder what Tunsil will cost? ;)


One guy who will be on the block is Isaiah Wynn from New England. But he has been regressing.


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Not going to help much without a line and a running game. Plus two speedsters?? We need a big guy who can catch jump balls if anything.

Kiper is and always has been moronic.

Fully expect Miami to make a run at Robinson


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David Jeremiah's mock to us.

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ArtieChokePhin wrote:
Not going to help much without a line and a running game. Plus two speedsters?? We need a big guy who can catch jump balls if anything.

Kiper is and always has been moronic.

Fully expect Miami to make a run at Robinson


Cam Robinson? The OT? If so then yes, I can see that possibility but they'll be paying big money.


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Cam Robinson? The OT? If so then yes, I can see that possibility but they'll be paying big money.

Cam & Allen.


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